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From: Brian Hurt <bhurt@spnz.org>
To: Jon Harrop <jon@jdh30.plus.com>
Cc: Ocaml Mailing List <caml-list@inria.fr>
Subject: Re: [Caml-list] CFG's and OCaml
Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 15:55:03 -0500 (CDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0408141548490.4282-100000@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200408142119.11234.jon@jdh30.plus.com>

On Sat, 14 Aug 2004, Jon Harrop wrote:

> On Saturday 14 August 2004 04:33, Brian Hurt wrote:
> > > 3. If so, is the fact that most languages disallow "a<b<c" due to this?
> > 
> > No.  "a<b<c" is parsed the same way as "a+b+c".
> 
> Sorry, I should have been more specific. With left- or right- or 
> non-associative, commuting, 'a->'a->'a operators (like + and *) you can get 
> away with parsing that way, e.g. "a+b+c" as:
> 
> either  (a+b)+c  or  a+(b+c)
> 
> But you can't do this with comparison 'a->'a->bool operators because it forces 
> you to deviate from conventional mathematical meaning, e.g. you get a type 
> error in OCaml on the "3" in "1<2<3" because it parses as "(1<2)<3" which 
> evaluates to "true<3" which just doesn't make any sense.
> 

The syntax of a language doesn't enforce a given meaning on the language 
being parsed.  "Colorless green ideas sleep furiously" is a syntactically 
correct English sentence, even if it is utterly meaningless.

The AST  of a<b<c has to be one of two ways:

       <                <
      / \              / \
    a    <      or    <   c
        / \          / \
       b   c        a   b

i.e. a < (b < c) or (a < b) < c.  What the meaning of these two 
expressions are is entirely up to the compiler- more spefically, up to the 
parts which are not lex or yacc based.

Although this does bring up one interesting question- is a<b<c 
syntactically different than (a<b)<c?  Generally, languages want to 
consider "extra" parenthesis to be harmless.

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Brian

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  reply	other threads:[~2004-08-14 20:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-08-13 14:04 David McClain
2004-08-13 15:05 ` Damien Doligez
2004-08-13 15:26   ` David McClain
2004-08-13 16:12     ` Damien Doligez
2004-08-13 15:28   ` David McClain
2004-08-13 15:49 ` Brian Hurt
2004-08-13 16:04   ` David McClain
2004-08-13 16:29     ` Brian Hurt
2004-08-13 16:42       ` Xavier Leroy
2004-08-13 17:18         ` Ken Rose
2004-08-13 18:55         ` Brian Hurt
2004-08-14  0:25           ` Jon Harrop
2004-08-14  0:57             ` Erik de Castro Lopo
2004-08-14  8:52               ` Alan Schmitt
2004-08-14  3:33             ` Brian Hurt
2004-08-14  7:55             ` skaller
2004-08-14 20:19               ` Jon Harrop
2004-08-14 20:55                 ` Brian Hurt [this message]
2004-08-14 20:57                   ` Marcin 'Qrczak' Kowalczyk
2004-08-14 22:15                     ` skaller
2004-08-15  1:26                   ` Jon Harrop
2004-08-15  8:24                     ` skaller
2004-08-15 15:39                     ` Brian Hurt
2004-08-15 16:54                       ` Jon Harrop
2004-08-14 22:13                 ` skaller
2004-08-13 16:58     ` Paul Snively
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2004-08-12 19:15 David McClain

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