From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Original-To: caml-list@yquem.inria.fr Delivered-To: caml-list@yquem.inria.fr Received: from nez-perce.inria.fr (nez-perce.inria.fr [192.93.2.78]) by yquem.inria.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6249BB9A for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2005 20:32:51 +0100 (CET) Received: from pauillac.inria.fr (pauillac.inria.fr [128.93.11.35]) by nez-perce.inria.fr (8.13.0/8.13.0) with ESMTP id jA6JWohT024976 for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2005 20:32:50 +0100 Received: from nez-perce.inria.fr (nez-perce.inria.fr [192.93.2.78]) by pauillac.inria.fr (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA09525 for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2005 20:32:49 +0100 (MET) Received: from mail.physik.uni-muenchen.de (mail.physik.uni-muenchen.de [192.54.42.129]) by nez-perce.inria.fr (8.13.0/8.13.0) with ESMTP id jA6JWnSh024971 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2005 20:32:49 +0100 Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by mail.physik.uni-muenchen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id B823220003; Sun, 6 Nov 2005 20:32:48 +0100 (CET) Received: from mail.physik.uni-muenchen.de ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.physik.uni-muenchen.de [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 19858-01-20; Sun, 6 Nov 2005 20:32:48 +0100 (CET) Received: from mailhost.cip.physik.uni-muenchen.de (kaiser.cip.physik.uni-muenchen.de [141.84.136.1]) by mail.physik.uni-muenchen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2FD920008; Sun, 6 Nov 2005 20:32:47 +0100 (CET) Received: from eiger.cip.physik.uni-muenchen.de (eiger.cip.physik.uni-muenchen.de [141.84.136.54]) by mailhost.cip.physik.uni-muenchen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id F002F26E87; Sun, 6 Nov 2005 20:32:38 +0100 (CET) Received: by eiger.cip.physik.uni-muenchen.de (Postfix, from userid 3092) id 0504B34FFF; Sun, 6 Nov 2005 20:32:44 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by eiger.cip.physik.uni-muenchen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id F014E22684; Sun, 6 Nov 2005 20:32:44 +0100 (CET) Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 20:32:44 +0100 (CET) From: Thomas Fischbacher To: Jon Harrop Cc: caml-list@inria.fr Subject: Re: [Caml-list] Wikipedia In-Reply-To: <200511031726.59561.jon@ffconsultancy.com> Message-ID: References: <200511031726.59561.jon@ffconsultancy.com> X-BOFH: Daemons did it MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at physik.uni-muenchen.de X-Miltered: at nez-perce with ID 436E5A62.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Miltered: at nez-perce with ID 436E5A61.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Spam: no; 0.00; caml-list:01 ocaml:01 ocaml:01 sml:01 haskell:01 freshmeat:01 freshmeat:01 synchronous:01 uncommon:01 2005,:98 ...:98 26,:98 presenta:98 presenta:98 ...:98 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on yquem.inria.fr X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=disabled version=3.0.3 On Thu, 3 Nov 2005, Jon Harrop wrote: ...and once again, it may be interesting to see a bit more context. > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ocaml > > The page gets a lot of hits and is, most likely, the first port of call by > many people when trying to learn about OCaml. > > Unfortunately, the quality of this page is substantially worse than that of > the equivalent pages on SML, Haskell and so on. I have tried to improve the > page myself but most of my links have been removed following complaints to > admim by an anonymous, German-speaking, OCaml-using physicist with the IRC > nic "tf" and all of my corrections were removed by Mike Lin. My code examples > remain though. On Oct 26, 19:10, I put a note into the "talk" section of the OCaml wikipedia article, pointing out that it contained an excessively large amount of links to ffconsultancy.com, which were indeed entered by Jon Harrop, by now infamous also on Usenet. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:O%27Caml_programming_language&oldid=26550471 To give an excerpt from the article as it was at that time: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ocaml&oldid=26478312 Please note the number of ffconsultancy.com links: ====>

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<==== This was the state of the article when I put that comment into the discussion section. I did not re-enter that discussion from then on, so when Jon says: > I have tried to improve the > page myself but most of my links have been removed following complaints to > admim by (...) tf his "improvements" which were removed following my "complaints" can only refer to his act of Wikipedia vandalism (as I would call it), putting excessive link spam (see above) into the article. Let's face it: if one takes Google rank as a a rough first measure of relevance (in the sense of "how much do people talk about it") in the non-academic world, in a search for "OCaml", none of Jon's material (despite all his efforts) is in the top 10 (note: google searches may depend on region/country), a link to his book is #17, and not one further single ffconsultancy link is among the top 50. So, if a single individual makes about half of all the external links in a Wikipedia page point to an irrelevant, obscure web site of his own(!), that hardly can be considered an "improvement", can it? But unfortunately, such distorted view and presentation of reality seems to be not too uncommon in Jon's writings. -- regards, tf@cip.physik.uni-muenchen.de (o_ Thomas Fischbacher - http://www.cip.physik.uni-muenchen.de/~tf //\ (lambda (n) ((lambda (p q r) (p p q r)) (lambda (g x y) V_/_ (if (= x 0) y (g g (- x 1) (* x y)))) n 1)) (Debian GNU)