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From: Brian Hurt <bhurt@spnz.org>
To: Andrej.Bauer@andrej.com
Cc: caml-list@yquem.inria.fr
Subject: Re: [Caml-list] Multiplication of matrix in C and OCaml
Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 20:10:26 -0500 (EST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0702092000180.19734@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <45CCEDD8.3080907@fmf.uni-lj.si>



On Fri, 9 Feb 2007, Andrej Bauer wrote:

> I hate to add to this long discussion, but since when is floating point 
> multiplication associative?
>
> # 1.3 *. (0.7 *. 2.1) = (1.3 *. 0.7) *. 2.1 ;;
> - : bool = false

Round off error.  You can't represent numbers like 7/10 or 13/10 in binary 
precisely in a finite number of digits, any more than you can represent 
the numbers 1/3 or 4/7 precisely in base-10 in a finite number of digits. 
This is a fundamental problem with floating point numbers, and shows up in 
every language that has them.  But this means reordering the calculations 
will result in slightly different answers.

And no, most of the "obvious" solutions don't work.  Using rational 
arithmetic doesn't help if I ask you to calculate the euclidean length of 
the vector (1, 1) for example (hint: sqrt (1.*.1. +. 1.*.1.)).  Interval 
arithmetic fails miserably on simple algorithms like Newton's method.  And 
so on.

On the other hand, the precision given by double precision floating point 
numbers is generally more than enough- they're precise enough to hold the 
distance from here to the moon in microns, for example.

My advice: if you're doing much of anything with floating point numbers, 
get a book on numerical analysis and follow the algorithms and 
recommendations it gives you (any book except "Numerical Recipies", which 
suck).  And don't use floating point for money.

Brian


  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-02-10  0:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-02-07 23:42 Frédéric Gava
2007-02-08  2:14 ` [Caml-list] " Jacques Garrigue
2007-02-08  9:27   ` Frédéric Gava
2007-02-08  9:38     ` Frédéric Gava
2007-02-08 12:08     ` Jacques Garrigue
2007-02-08  9:56   ` Frédéric Gava
2007-02-08 10:45     ` Xavier Leroy
2007-02-08 15:16       ` Frédéric Gava
2007-02-09  2:58         ` Jacques Garrigue
2007-02-09  9:06           ` ls-ocaml-developer-2006
2007-02-09 10:32             ` ls-ocaml-developer-2006
2007-02-09 14:22               ` skaller
2007-02-09 21:47                 ` ls-ocaml-developer-2006
2007-02-09 21:55                   ` Andrej Bauer
2007-02-09 22:36                     ` ls-ocaml-developer-2006
2007-02-09 23:53                       ` Jon Harrop
2007-02-10  1:41                         ` ls-ocaml-developer-2006
2007-02-10  2:24                           ` Jon Harrop
2007-02-10 14:41                             ` ls-ocaml-developer-2006
2007-02-10 14:52                               ` Jon Harrop
2007-02-10 15:51                                 ` ls-ocaml-developer-2006
2007-02-10 16:10                                   ` Xavier Leroy
2007-02-10 16:11                                   ` Jon Harrop
2007-02-10 14:55                               ` Mattias Engdegård
2007-02-11 13:13                             ` Christophe Raffalli
2007-02-10  1:10                     ` Brian Hurt [this message]
2007-02-10  1:16                       ` Robert Roessler
2007-02-09 23:56                 ` Jon Harrop
2007-02-09 12:05             ` Jon Harrop
2007-02-09 12:35               ` ls-ocaml-developer-2006
2007-02-09 13:50             ` Brian Hurt
2007-02-09 14:23               ` Gerd Stolpmann
2007-02-09 14:24 Frederic GAVA

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