From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from mail1-relais-roc.national.inria.fr (mail1-relais-roc.national.inria.fr [192.134.164.82]) by walapai.inria.fr (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id p6EG5PrZ032138 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2011 18:05:25 +0200 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgECAE0TH06DbwiWmWdsb2JhbABTmCOPMhQBAQEBAQgLCwcUJcsehjoEl2SEXIZ2 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.65,529,1304287200"; d="scan'208";a="113156093" Received: from ppsw-50.csi.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.8.150]) by mail1-smtp-roc.national.inria.fr with ESMTP; 14 Jul 2011 18:05:20 +0200 X-Cam-AntiVirus: no malware found X-Cam-SpamDetails: not scanned X-Cam-ScannerInfo: http://www.cam.ac.uk/cs/email/scanner/ Received: from hermes-2.csi.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.8.54]:42837) by ppsw-50.csi.cam.ac.uk (smtp.hermes.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.157]:25) with esmtpa (EXTERNAL:lpw25) id 1QhOPf-0005GA-rk (Exim 4.72) (return-path ); Thu, 14 Jul 2011 17:05:19 +0100 Received: from prayer by hermes-2.csi.cam.ac.uk (hermes.cam.ac.uk) with local (PRAYER:lpw25) id 1QhOPf-0006Dt-Ks (Exim 4.67) (return-path ); Thu, 14 Jul 2011 17:05:19 +0100 Received: from [128.232.9.0] by webmail.hermes.cam.ac.uk with HTTP (Prayer-1.3.4); 14 Jul 2011 17:05:19 +0100 Date: 14 Jul 2011 17:05:19 +0100 From: Leo P White To: Gerd Stolpmann Cc: Markus Mottl , caml-list@inria.fr Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1310656202.10871.10.camel@thinkpad> References: <1310656202.10871.10.camel@thinkpad> X-Mailer: Prayer v1.3.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Sender: "L.P. White" Subject: Re: [Caml-list] Open datatypes While exn is monomorphic I don't think that this needs to be true of an open datatype in general. Again, while polymorphic variants are similar to open datatypes like exn, there are cases where a polymorphic variant can not be used (for reasons related to their subtyping) and others where they are not as appropriate as exn. So my question is whether there is any particular reason that they would be difficult to integrate with the rest of the language. Thanks, Leo On Jul 14 2011, Gerd Stolpmann wrote: >Am Donnerstag, den 14.07.2011, 10:48 -0400 schrieb Markus Mottl: >> Hi, >> >> it is possible to create open (i.e. extensible) datatypes with >> polymorphic variants, even allowing recursion. E.g.: >> >> type 't add_open = [ `Add of 't * 't ] >> type 't sub_open = [ `Sub of 't * 't ] >> >> let eval_add_open eval (`Add (l, r)) = eval l + eval r >> let eval_sub_open eval (`Sub (l, r)) = eval l - eval r >> >> "add_open" and "sub_open" are clearly completely independent from each >> other, both the datatypes and the evaluation functions. >> >> Now we combine these two datatypes and evaluation functions, still >> leaving the result extensible: >> >> type 't add_sub_open = [ 't add_open | 't sub_open ] >> >> let eval_add_sub_open eval = function >> | #add_open as t -> eval_add_open eval t >> | #sub_open as t -> eval_sub_open eval t >> >> Eventually you will want to "close" the extensible definitions for >> actual use. This basically just means tying the open ends: >> >> type add_sub = add_sub add_sub_open >> >> let rec eval_add_sub t = eval_add_sub_open eval_add_sub t >> >> In my experience using polymorphic variants for that purpose is hands >> down the most elegant way of achieving extensibility and >> composability. It is especially useful for creating domain-specific >> languages that can be quickly combined and extended. > >Especially, polymorphic variants are not restricted to monomorphic types >as exn is. > > For a complete example look here: > https://godirepo.camlcity.org/svn/lib-pxp/trunk/src/pxp-engine/pxp_xpath.ml. > It's an attempt to define xpath as an open polymorphic variant. The type > open_expr is the open version of the xpath terms, expr is the closed. The > corresponding evaluators are eval_open_expr and eval_expr. > >There is also a paper by Jacques Garrigue about this topic, but I cannot >find it anymore in the web. > >Gerd > > >> >> Regards, >> Markus >> >> On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 09:38, wrote: >> > >> > Hi all, >> > >> > I was wondering whether there was any particular reason why OCaml >> > doesn't allow the user to create open extensible datatypes like exn. >> > >> > I know that something similar can be created using local exceptions: >> > >> > module T = struct >> > type t = exn >> > >> > type 'a tvariant = (('a -> t), (t -> 'a option)) >> > >> > let createVariant (type s) () = >> > let module M = struct exception E of s end in >> > (fun x -> M.E x), (function M.E x -> Some x | _ -> None) >> > >> > let mkTVariant ((cnstr, _) : 'a tvariant) (x: 'a) = cnstr x >> > >> > let matchTVariant ((_, destr) : 'a tvariant) (xt: t) = destr xt >> > end >> > >> > but it isn't very neat, and it seems that it would not be that >> > difficult to allow the user to declare types with the same properties >> > as exn. >> > >> > Thanks, >> > >> > Leo >> > >> > -- >> > Caml-list mailing list. Subscription management and archives: >> > https://sympa-roc.inria.fr/wws/info/caml-list >> > Beginner's list: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ocaml_beginners >> > Bug reports: http://caml.inria.fr/bin/caml-bugs >> >> -- >> Markus Mottl http://www.ocaml.info markus.mottl@gmail.com >> >> > >