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From: "Nathaniel Gray" <n8gray@gmail.com>
To: "Gerd Stolpmann" <info@gerd-stolpmann.de>
Cc: "Stefano Zacchiroli" <zack@debian.org>, caml-list@inria.fr
Subject: Re: [Caml-list] Re: [OSR] Ports-like package management system
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 10:42:45 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aee06c9e0802041042q776a2845t1eb778a36d1ffea6@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1201878222.14203.19.camel@flake.lan.gerd-stolpmann.de>

On Feb 1, 2008 7:03 AM, Gerd Stolpmann <info@gerd-stolpmann.de> wrote:
>
> - Are software maintainers willing to provide the information in a
>   formalized way? That would mean they had to understand the details
>   of the formalization, and also had to maintain these data (e.g.
>   respond to users who find errors etc.). Depending on how much detail
>   the formalization can express, this can be very easy or tricky.

Personally, I would be enthusiastically happy to provide such a description.

> - Is this so useful for the users that they really need it? I mean
>   the primary users would be the existing distribution systems
>   like GODI or Debian that already have formalizations for deps.
>   I expect that most end users won't directly install software,
>   and if so, it is likely that they run manually through the
>   the build package by package, so a description of deps in English
>   would be almost as useful as a formalization.

I have seen many, many cases where the dependency information compiled
by non-developers is just awful.  I've seen packages that depend on
Firefox (and want me to build it from source!) because the software
uses HTML help files.  I recently installed KOffice on OS X using
MacPorts and got a chuckle when I learned that gtk2 was a dependency.
It would be much better if dependencies were specified by the
developers directly and the packagers used that info.

Cheers,
-n8

-- 
>>>-- Nathaniel Gray -- Caltech Computer Science ------>
>>>-- Mojave Project -- http://mojave.cs.caltech.edu -->


  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-02-04 18:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 85+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-01-29 10:56 Berke Durak
2008-01-29 11:12 ` [Caml-list] " David Teller
2008-01-29 13:11 ` Yaron Minsky
2008-01-29 14:04   ` Nicolas Pouillard
2008-01-29 17:35   ` Berke Durak
2008-01-29 18:02     ` Bünzli Daniel
2008-01-29 18:10     ` Paul Pelzl
2008-01-29 22:26     ` Paolo Donadeo
2008-01-30  1:55       ` Bünzli Daniel
2008-01-29 22:46     ` Paolo Donadeo
2008-01-29 13:47 ` Yaron Minsky
2008-01-29 14:04   ` Nicolas Pouillard
2008-01-29 16:00 ` Alain Frisch
2008-01-30  6:58   ` Yaron Minsky
2008-01-30  8:56     ` Nicolas Pouillard
2008-01-29 17:56 ` Bünzli Daniel
2008-01-29 18:17   ` Nicolas Pouillard
2008-01-29 19:13     ` Bünzli Daniel
2008-01-30  8:49       ` Nicolas Pouillard
2008-01-30 11:15         ` Bünzli Daniel
2008-01-30 11:52           ` Nicolas Pouillard
2008-01-29 18:47 ` Hezekiah M. Carty
2008-01-30  9:06 ` Sylvain Le Gall
2008-01-30  9:39   ` [Caml-list] " Berke Durak
2008-01-30  9:53     ` Sylvain Le Gall
2008-01-30 10:50       ` [Caml-list] " Nicolas Pouillard
2008-01-30 11:15         ` Bünzli Daniel
2008-01-30 11:54           ` Nicolas Pouillard
2008-01-30 13:58             ` Sylvain Le Gall
2008-01-30 14:08               ` [Caml-list] " Nicolas Pouillard
2008-01-30 11:15       ` Berke Durak
2008-01-30 11:47         ` Bünzli Daniel
2008-01-30 13:55           ` Sylvain Le Gall
2008-01-30 13:54         ` Sylvain Le Gall
2008-01-30 14:24           ` [Caml-list] " Berke Durak
2008-01-30 14:35             ` Sylvain Le Gall
2008-01-30 19:48             ` [Caml-list] " Bünzli Daniel
2008-01-30 18:12           ` Vlad Skvortsov
2008-01-30 16:32       ` Michael Ekstrand
2008-01-30 16:44         ` Sylvain Le Gall
2008-01-30 18:03         ` [Caml-list] " Nicolas Pouillard
2008-01-30 19:45         ` Olivier Andrieu
2008-01-30 19:53           ` Vlad Skvortsov
2008-01-30 10:45     ` Sylvain Le Gall
2008-01-30  9:51   ` [Caml-list] " Jon Harrop
2008-01-30 10:18     ` Sylvain Le Gall
2008-01-30 10:43       ` [Caml-list] " Jon Harrop
2008-01-30 12:00         ` Nicolas Pouillard
2008-01-30 13:25           ` Jon Harrop
2008-01-30 14:06             ` Nicolas Pouillard
2008-01-30 12:37   ` Pietro Abate
2008-01-30 13:26     ` Stefano Zacchiroli
2008-01-30 14:07     ` Gerd Stolpmann
2008-01-30 13:37       ` Stefano Zacchiroli
2008-01-30 15:12         ` Gerd Stolpmann
2008-01-31  9:02           ` Stefano Zacchiroli
2008-02-01 15:03             ` Gerd Stolpmann
2008-02-03 20:21               ` Stefano Zacchiroli
2008-02-04  3:40                 ` Matthew Hannigan
2008-02-04 18:42               ` Nathaniel Gray [this message]
2008-01-30 17:42       ` David Allsopp
2008-01-30 14:13     ` Sylvain Le Gall
2008-01-30 20:22       ` [Caml-list] " Bünzli Daniel
2008-02-08 22:24       ` N. Owen Gunden
2008-01-30 15:15     ` Jon Harrop
2008-01-30 12:37 ` [Caml-list] " Berke Durak
2008-02-13  8:45 ` David Teller
2008-02-13 10:02   ` Sylvain Le Gall
2008-02-13 10:48     ` [Caml-list] " Berke Durak
2008-02-13 13:51       ` Sylvain Le Gall
2008-02-13 14:10       ` [Caml-list] " Richard Jones
2008-02-13 14:22         ` Sylvain Le Gall
2008-02-13 17:57           ` [Caml-list] " Richard Jones
2008-02-15  8:13       ` Maxence Guesdon
2008-02-15  9:47         ` Berke Durak
2008-02-15 10:24           ` Maxence Guesdon
2008-02-15 10:59             ` Stefano Zacchiroli
2008-02-15 15:45               ` Maxence Guesdon
2008-02-15 13:35         ` Ralph Douglass
2008-02-15 14:08           ` Christophe TROESTLER
2008-02-13 12:13     ` David Teller
2008-02-13 13:48       ` Sylvain Le Gall
2008-02-13 13:58         ` [Caml-list] " David Teller
2008-02-13 14:20           ` Sylvain Le Gall
2008-02-13 14:28             ` [Caml-list] " David Teller

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