From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on yquem.inria.fr X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,HTML_MESSAGE,SPF_NEUTRAL autolearn=disabled version=3.1.3 X-Original-To: caml-list@yquem.inria.fr Delivered-To: caml-list@yquem.inria.fr Received: from discorde.inria.fr (discorde.inria.fr [192.93.2.38]) by yquem.inria.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 374FDBC69 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2007 04:00:26 +0100 (CET) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.170]) by discorde.inria.fr (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l2830PE3019809 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2007 04:00:25 +0100 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id k3so765057ugf for ; Wed, 07 Mar 2007 19:00:25 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=cQsg6fN+GZ4Jq/OrB19KQqM6BIVAw3fOhNEN3S7thfVkGaeB5gPn7Pbu/WVFUz8bOnDDgON3VQr4f/cC/UpnbYhQT1A8dCXEdsFsGwH1ngItGUf6lbOndB3N7y+QbWnlZB+fPMd0VUG0/5Tp4mfvVTfH/wENvHiqC8o0CmPOtgg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=mYSH8rAf2aCtSZpV9c40vknvBUhcw1M63W9/bCsqB18qHDfBJvgqU+a4fU6DtRIurYnTzAoAYrjuqAuzOOSSYajgr00P4+Y5wpGrlOPuyTDpjTV6ZddzBPeT1pqxPbWskzfEw+hEhNiO7AI3LhxwUzy/4BlSRNVq80nhbL3wT9Y= Received: by 10.114.171.1 with SMTP id t1mr2445679wae.1173322824245; Wed, 07 Mar 2007 19:00:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.168.3 with HTTP; Wed, 7 Mar 2007 19:00:24 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 22:00:24 -0500 From: "Jim Miller" To: skaller Subject: Re: [Caml-list] Interactive technical computing Cc: caml-list@inria.fr In-Reply-To: <1173322347.12230.61.camel@rosella.wigram> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_215403_17694398.1173322824205" References: <200703080113.22721.jon@ffconsultancy.com> <1173322347.12230.61.camel@rosella.wigram> X-j-chkmail-Score: MSGID : 45EF7C49.001 on discorde : j-chkmail score : X : 0/20 1 0.000 -> 1 X-Miltered: at discorde with ID 45EF7C49.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail . ensmp . fr)! X-Spam: no; 0.00; o'caml:01 o'caml:01 sourceforge:01 sourceforge:01 wrote:01 wrote:01 caml-list:01 argument:02 argument:02 programming:03 programming:03 languages:03 languages:03 productivity:04 productivity:04 ------=_Part_215403_17694398.1173322824205 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I have no doubt that nobody would give you a grant do to this. The immediate question my sources would ask is "WHY?" when there are so many other languages out there. The number of research scientists that I know of that are asking for anything like this is exceedingly low. On a side note, this is the most frustrating thing about the physics community I work with. I'm involved at GMU in the COMPUTATIONAL physics department. We are supposed to be applying cutting edge technology to problems and yet the application of new languages gets VERY little traction there. Every argument I've ever made to the faculty there about the ability for an O'Caml type language to improve our productivity and confidence in the answers it produces tends to fall on deaf ears. Of course, I am just a student there, but I'm also an experienced (15 years) professional programmer that might know a thing or two about programming ... sigh. Most research physicists that I work with (NRL in particular) are worse. On 3/7/07, skaller wrote: > > On Wed, 2007-03-07 at 20:49 -0500, Jim Miller wrote: > > I think that this would be a potentially fantastic application! > > The question is whether you would get a sufficient grant to > actually pay for it. > > -- > John Skaller > Felix, successor to C++: http://felix.sf.net > ------=_Part_215403_17694398.1173322824205 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I have no doubt that nobody would give you a grant do to this.  The immediate question my sources would ask is "WHY?" when there are so many other languages out there.  The number of research scientists that I know of that are asking for anything like this is exceedingly low.

On a side note, this is the most frustrating thing about the physics community I work with.  I'm involved at GMU in the COMPUTATIONAL physics department. We are supposed to be applying cutting edge technology to problems and yet the application of new languages gets VERY little traction there.  Every argument I've ever made to the faculty there about the ability for an O'Caml type language to improve our productivity and confidence in the answers it produces tends to fall on deaf ears. 

Of course, I am just a student there, but I'm also an experienced (15 years) professional programmer that might know a thing or two about programming ... sigh.

Most research physicists that I work with (NRL in particular) are worse.

On 3/7/07, skaller <skaller@users.sourceforge.net> wrote:
On Wed, 2007-03-07 at 20:49 -0500, Jim Miller wrote:
> I think that this would be a potentially fantastic application!

The question is whether you would get a sufficient grant to
actually pay for it.

--
John Skaller <skaller at users dot sf dot net>
Felix, successor to C++: http://felix.sf.net

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