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From: Tom <tom.primozic@gmail.com>
To: "Jacques GARRIGUE" <garrigue@math.nagoya-u.ac.jp>
Cc: caml-list@yquem.inria.fr
Subject: Re: [Caml-list] Polymorphic Variants
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 22:13:50 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <c1490a380701171313j7f54a420yd17d15164e52f9ac@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070117.111927.2004173151.garrigue@math.nagoya-u.ac.jp>

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On 17/01/07, Jacques GARRIGUE <garrigue@math.nagoya-u.ac.jp> wrote:
>
> From: Tom <tom.primozic@gmail.com>
> > So... why actually are polymorphic variants useful? Why can't they
> simply be
> > implemented as normal, concrete (or how would you call them? ...)
> variants?
>
> The original motivation was for the LablTk library, where some types
> (index for instance) have lots of small variations. At that point
> there where several options
> * overloading (but ocaml loathes overloading, you could say that the
>   total absence of overloading is essential to the language)
>

Is there a reason for that? Is it only hard to implement or are there any
conceptual / strategical / theoretical reasons?

> OCaml does not, as far as I know, have any structural typing for
> records..

Hm... Actually, what I had in mind is nominal subtyping... similar to
objects, in fact, objects in C++-like languages, just that they have no
class methods.

Now... close your eyes (but try to continue reading this ;) ) and imagine
you're in a dreamworld. You are programming in a language that has
  * function overloading that allows you to have
       length "abcd" + length [1; 2; 3]
  * Constructor overloading, eliminating the need of
       type parse_expression =
           Pexp_name of string
         | Pexp_constant of constant
         | Pexp_let of (pattern * parse_expression) * parse_expression
         | Pexp_apply of parse_expression * parse_expression list
         | Pexp_try of parse_expression * (pattern * parse_expression) list

       type typed_expression =
           Texp_ident of ident
         | Texp_constant of constant
         | Texp_let of (pattern * typed_expression) * typed_expression
         | Texp_apply of typed_expression * typed_expression list
         | Texp_try of typed_expression * (pattern * typed_expression) list
    as it can be coded as
       type parse_expression =
           Name of string
         | Constant of constant
         | ...

       type typed_expression =
           Ident of ident
         | Constant of constant
         | ...

  * nominal subtyping of records, with overloaded field names:
       type widget = {x : float; y : float; width: float; height: float} (*
top-level type *)
       type button = {widget | text : string }
       type checkbox = {button | checked : bool}
       type image = {widget | url : string}

       type vector = {x : float; y : float}
       type document {url : url}

    so subtypes could be applied to a function
       fun move : widget -> (float * float) -> unit

       let chk = {x = 0.0; y = 0.0; width = 10.0; height = 12.0; text =
"Check me!"; checked = false}
       move chk (3.0, 3.0)
    and types could be "discovered" at runtime:
       let draw widget =
         typematch widget with
             w : widget -> draw_box (w.x, w.y, w.height, w.width)
           | b : button -> draw_box (b.x, b.y, b.height, b.width); draw_text
b.text
           | i : image -> draw_image i.url (i.x, i.y)
           | ...

Do you think you would be "satisfied" even without polymorphic variants?

I am not saying this just for fun... I want to create a language with
overloading, but I kinda don't really like polymorphic variants... thou if
they turn out to be really useful, I would probably start to like them.

Any comments?

- Tom

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-01-17 21:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-01-16 20:32 Tom
2007-01-16 20:49 ` [Caml-list] " Seth J. Fogarty
2007-01-16 21:05   ` Tom
2007-01-16 21:23     ` Seth J. Fogarty
2007-01-16 21:45       ` Edgar Friendly
2007-01-16 22:18       ` Lukasz Stafiniak
2007-01-17  5:55       ` skaller
2007-01-17  0:30 ` Jonathan Roewen
2007-01-17  2:19 ` Jacques GARRIGUE
2007-01-17  3:24   ` Christophe TROESTLER
2007-01-18  2:12     ` Jacques Garrigue
2007-01-17  6:09   ` skaller
2007-01-17 13:34     ` Andrej Bauer
2007-01-17 21:13   ` Tom [this message]
2007-01-17 22:53     ` Jon Harrop
2007-01-17 23:07       ` Tom
     [not found]         ` <200701172349.53331.jon@ffconsultancy.com>
     [not found]           ` <c1490a380701180407j670a7cccyb679c71fde20aa4b@mail.gmail.com>
2007-01-18 16:23             ` Fwd: " Tom
2007-01-18 21:14               ` Jon Harrop
2007-01-19  9:26                 ` Dirk Thierbach
2007-01-19 10:35                   ` Tom
2007-01-19 11:14                     ` Dirk Thierbach
2007-01-19 12:03                       ` Tom
2007-01-18 21:43       ` Christophe TROESTLER
2007-01-18  1:28     ` Jacques Garrigue
2007-01-18  1:46       ` Jon Harrop
2007-01-18  4:05       ` skaller
2007-01-18  6:20         ` Jacques Garrigue
2007-01-18  9:48           ` skaller
2007-01-18 12:23       ` Tom
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-04-17  9:49 [Caml-list] Polymorphic variants John Max Skaller
2002-04-17 10:43 ` Remi VANICAT
2002-04-17 23:49   ` John Max Skaller
2002-04-18  1:23     ` Jacques Garrigue
2002-04-18  9:04       ` John Max Skaller

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