From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Delivered-To: caml-list@yquem.inria.fr Received: from concorde.inria.fr (concorde.inria.fr [192.93.2.39]) by yquem.inria.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30C3CBC75 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 12:43:03 +0100 (CET) Received: from pauillac.inria.fr (pauillac.inria.fr [128.93.11.35]) by concorde.inria.fr (8.13.0/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j1EBh2Nn009575 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 12:43:02 +0100 Received: from concorde.inria.fr (concorde.inria.fr [192.93.2.39]) by pauillac.inria.fr (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA06790 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 12:43:02 +0100 (MET) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by concorde.inria.fr (8.13.0/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j1EBh1wk009570 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 12:43:02 +0100 Received: from root by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1D0eaa-0001Oe-Az for caml-list@inria.fr; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 12:40:28 +0100 Received: from veri364-isdn-a056.otenet.gr ([62.103.241.90]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 12:40:28 +0100 Received: from ilias by veri364-isdn-a056.otenet.gr with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 12:40:28 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: caml-list@inria.fr From: Ilias Lazaridis Subject: [EVALUATION] - E01: The Java Failure - May OCAML Helps? Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 13:19:11 +0200 Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: veri364-isdn-a056.otenet.gr User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en Sender: news X-Gmane-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Gmane-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: gclci-caml-list@m.gmane.org X-MailScanner-To: caml-list@inria.fr X-Miltered: at concorde with ID 42108EC6.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Miltered: at concorde with ID 42108EC5.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Spam: no; 0.00; ocaml:01 ocaml:01 stack:01 liberal:98 unbeatable:98 ...:98 quicker:98 sun's:01 supported:01 essentially:01 thread:02 thread:02 constructs:02 constructs:02 programming:03 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.2 (2004-11-16) on yquem.inria.fr X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=disabled version=3.0.2 X-Spam-Level: " A cooperation between Sun Microsystems and IBM&Co. in conjunction with liberal & high evolutive communities would result in an nearly unbeatable programming platform. My evaluation has shown: this is a non achievable goal, as stubborness and egoism rules - instead of reason and cooperation. Thus I leave all those ridiculous folks behind, which will continue to do an excellent job in keeping the very promising JAVA platform far below the technological level it could be " - " Of course It's a sad day. Censorship (NetBeans, Eclipse) has forced me to move. No platform is _really_ open, thus I cannot build on them: http://lazaridis.com/core/project/open.html " - "I'm sure there is one community out there which will realize immediatly the benefits of an high-evolutive system. " - source: [messages within thread] [JAVA] [EVALUATION] - The Java Failure (Sorry: The Java(tm) Failure) http://groups-beta.google.com/group/comp.lang.java.softwaretools/msg/... - - - During the 6 months evaluation i've extracted several constructs. "How it should be to become high evolutive" - I don't know OCAML. Basicly I would like to do everything in C++. But development must go quicker. - Possibly it's time to structure OCAML projects in a way similar to Sun's Java, NetBeans and especially IBM&Co's Eclipse (but of course more efficient and evolutive): http://lazaridis.com/case/ide/project/index.html www.osgi.org and similar standards should (whenever possible) be used. Companies in the Embedded World should be intrested in an OCAML osgi implementation. [Note: i've not verified technical and legal applicability] - osgi is just a detail. The goal would be: to make a high competitive andhigh evolutive programming platform / Rich Client Platform based on OCAML. - My question is essentially: How many of those constructs are already supported by OCAML (and the surrounding open-source-projects): http://lazaridis.com/case/stack/index.html - Please notify the people within the relevant OCAML communities about this thread. . -- http://lazaridis.com