From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Delivered-To: caml-list@yquem.inria.fr Received: from concorde.inria.fr (concorde.inria.fr [192.93.2.39]) by yquem.inria.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC753BC32 for ; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 22:40:38 +0100 (CET) Received: from pauillac.inria.fr (pauillac.inria.fr [128.93.11.35]) by concorde.inria.fr (8.13.0/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j2FLecrV004385 for ; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 22:40:38 +0100 Received: from concorde.inria.fr (concorde.inria.fr [192.93.2.39]) by pauillac.inria.fr (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA25326 for ; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 22:40:37 +0100 (MET) Received: from mail.cs.unm.edu (mail.cs.unm.edu [64.106.20.33]) by concorde.inria.fr (8.13.0/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j2FLeaNf004376 for ; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 22:40:37 +0100 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cs.unm.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5B22E4167; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 14:30:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.cs.unm.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21904-08; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 14:30:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from [192.168.0.2] (pcp09983606pcs.svaley01.nm.comcast.net [68.35.58.177]) by mail.cs.unm.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07F26E413E; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 14:30:12 -0700 (MST) In-Reply-To: <32977.131.254.50.45.1110920621.squirrel@mail.irisa.fr> References: <42363A86.6010309@1969.ws> <200503150859.55997.jon@ffconsultancy.com> <200503152036.45894.jon@ffconsultancy.com> <32977.131.254.50.45.1110920621.squirrel@mail.irisa.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "Jon Harrop" , caml-list@inria.fr From: "William D.Neumann" Subject: Re: [Caml-list] OCaml troll on Slashdot Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 14:40:28 -0700 To: padiolea@irisa.fr X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at cs.unm.edu X-Miltered: at concorde with ID 42375656.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Miltered: at concorde with ID 42375654.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Spam: no; 0.00; caml-list:01 ocaml:01 irisa:01 wwwfun:01 ocaml:01 arrays:01 functionnal:01 pierce's:01 trolls:01 trolls:01 ...:98 ...:98 wrote:01 wrote:01 exception:01 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.2 (2004-11-16) on yquem.inria.fr X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=disabled version=3.0.2 X-Spam-Level: On Mar 15, 2005, at 2:03 PM, padiolea@irisa.fr wrote: > where ? http://wwwfun.kurims.kyoto-u.ac.jp/~garrigue/garden2.ml > Yes but this ocaml code use array ? Lists and arrays. Each where it's appropriate. > In that case it supports what the "troll" said, that is > the resulting code is no more "functionnal". To which, I'd assume the majority response would be, "So?" And to which I might add Benjamin Pierce's comment, "Most arguments about 'What is the essence of...?' do more to reveal the prejudices of the participants than to uncover any objective truth about the topic of discussion. Attempts to define the term 'object-oriented' are no exception." Sure, he wrote it in regards to object oriented programming, but it fits functional programming very well (a polymorphic comment, indeed). > He is not a newbie, this garden optimization problem is not that > simple. Well, a five minute glance at the code seems to indicate a very shallow understanding of OCaml. He might be a wizard in other aspects of programming/CS, but dollars to donuts he's very much an OCaml newbie. > Perhaps the python/perl/ruby community are successful because they > answer to those "trolls" who often then become the first > advocater of the langage who in turn answer to other "trolls" which > make the community bigger and bigger. I dunno. A couple of days ago there was a /. story about the new Randal Schwartz book, and at least one person was complaining about the perl newsgroups/mailing lists being full of unfriendly, unhelpful folk. William D. Neumann "You've got Rita Marlowe in the palm of your hand." "Palm of my hand? You haven't seen Rita Marlowe..." -- Will Success Spoil Rock Hunter?