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From: rossberg@mpi-sws.org
To: "Goswin von Brederlow" <goswin-v-b@web.de>
Cc: caml-list@inria.fr
Subject: Re: [Caml-list] Re: Subtyping structurally-equivalent records, or something like it?
Date: Wed, 5 May 2010 14:12:18 +0200 (CEST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <f44cb3a43c394d0baa9f54bbe852a66a.squirrel@mail.mpi-sws.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <876332bsoy.fsf@frosties.localdomain>

"Goswin von Brederlow" <goswin-v-b@web.de>:
>
>>> This is not about optimized compiler in this case but about data
>>> representation. Even if you use an optimized compiler (which is not
>>> really the case with ocamlopt), you won't change datastructure
>>> representation to optimize.
>>
>> What do you mean? There is no reason in general why a compiler cannot
>> optimize data representations, and some do in cases like this.
>
> How could it? At least for any type that is public in a module.
>
> The data representation is part of the ABI. As such it is fixed and can
> in no way be optimized by the compiler. Only thing you can do is change
> the ABI and define a more optimized representation in the first place.

Yes, and I didn't say that OCaml easily could, given external constraints
like the one you mention. I only was objecting to the statement that this is
not an optimization.

> A better representation would be to combine the two:
>
> bar {
>   tag = 0 (for Bar)
>   size = 2
>   field[0] = int(x)
>   field[1] = int(y)
> }

That is called flattening or unboxing, and in degenerate use cases it can
actually be costly because you have to copy the record if you extract it
first-class. However, for the original case there would be a much simpler
optimization: if a data type has only one constructor (more precisely, one
except for nullary ones), you don't need to represent its tag at all, so the
whole indirection is unnecessary.

/Andreas


  reply	other threads:[~2010-05-05 12:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 13+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-05-01 19:55 [Caml-list] " Dario Teixeira
2010-05-01 20:01 ` Sylvain Le Gall
2010-05-04 10:33   ` [Caml-list] " AUGER Cédric
     [not found]   ` <4429.86797211251$1272970133@news.gmane.org>
2010-05-04 11:53     ` Sylvain Le Gall
2010-05-04 12:47       ` [Caml-list] " rossberg
2010-05-04 13:42         ` Sylvain Le Gall
2010-05-04 15:18           ` [Caml-list] " Fabrice Le Fessant
2010-05-05  9:31         ` Goswin von Brederlow
2010-05-05 12:12           ` rossberg [this message]
2010-05-05 16:46             ` Goswin von Brederlow
2010-05-04 13:37       ` Edgar Friendly
2010-05-05  9:33         ` Goswin von Brederlow
2010-05-05 11:10         ` Yaron Minsky

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