[Caml-list] Newsgroup?

[Caml-list] Newsgroup?

[Alessandro Baretta]

I have come to think that a newsgroup would be a whole lot 
better than a mailing list. Oftentimes, when I reply to 
messages sent to the list, I would expect my reply to be 
automatically addressed to the list. On the other hand, 
Mozilla automatically addresses the message to the personal 
address of the author of the message to which I am replying. 
Hence, I often end up replying privately when I actually 
desire to reply publicly. Using a newsgroup would solve this 
problem: all replies would automatically be addressed to the 
newsgroup itself.

Another possible means of addressing the issue would be to 
configure the mailing list server to fill in the "From:" 
field with the address of the list as opposed to the address 
of the actual sender of the message.

Could anything be done by INRIA in this respect?

Alex

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Re: [Caml-list] Newsgroup?

[Dave Mason]

>>>>> On Sat, 13 Jul 2002 16:37:38 +0200, Alessandro Baretta <alex@baretta.com> said:

> Hence, I often end up replying privately when I actually desire to
> reply publicly. Using a newsgroup would solve this problem: all
> replies would automatically be addressed to the newsgroup itself.

So would using `group reply' or `reply to all'!

> Another possible means of addressing the issue would be to configure
> the mailing list server to fill in the "From:" field with the
> address of the list as opposed to the address of the actual sender
> of the message.

No, no, no!  Please don't!

../Dave
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Re: [Caml-list] Newsgroup?

[Henrik Motakef]

Alessandro Baretta <alex@baretta.com> writes:

> I have come to think that a newsgroup would be a whole lot better than
> a mailing list.

I agree, I like Usenet a lot more than mailing lists.

However, there are already comp.lang.functional and comp.lang.ml where
OCaml is on topic. Given that especially comp.lang.ml has quite low
traffic, I doubt an OCaml-specific newsgroup would be either necessary
or sucessfull.

Additionally, this mailing list seems to be gatewayed to a newsgroup
called fa.caml. I don't have it on my NNTP server, but
groups.google.com knows it.

Regards
Henrik

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Re: [Caml-list] Newsgroup?

[Nicolas FRANCOIS]

Le Sat, 13 Jul 2002 16:37:38 +0200 Alessandro Baretta <alex@baretta.com> a
écrit :

> I have come to think that a newsgroup would be a whole lot 
> better than a mailing list. Oftentimes, when I reply to 
> messages sent to the list, I would expect my reply to be 
> automatically addressed to the list. On the other hand, 
> Mozilla automatically addresses the message to the personal 
> address of the author of the message to which I am replying. 
> Hence, I often end up replying privately when I actually 
> desire to reply publicly. Using a newsgroup would solve this 
> problem: all replies would automatically be addressed to the 
> newsgroup itself.

This is not a problem of your Mozilla. The "Reply to" field is set by the
list manager.

> Another possible means of addressing the issue would be to 
> configure the mailing list server to fill in the "From:" 
> field with the address of the list as opposed to the address 
> of the actual sender of the message.

Again, it is not a problem with "From", but with "Reply to".

\bye

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Re: [Caml-list] Newsgroup?

[Alessandro Baretta]

Nicolas FRANCOIS (AKA El Bofo) wrote:
> 
> This is not a problem of your Mozilla. The "Reply to" field is set by the
> list manager.

This is precisely why I have asked that the list manager set 
the Reply To: field to "caml-list@inria.fr"

> 
>>Another possible means of addressing the issue would be to 
>>configure the mailing list server to fill in the "From:" 
>>field with the address of the list as opposed to the address 
>>of the actual sender of the message.
> 
> 
> Again, it is not a problem with "From", but with "Reply to".

Correct. In my previous message I had mentioned the wrong field.

Alex

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Re: [Caml-list] Newsgroup?

[William Lovas]

I know this is not terribly on-topic, but in case anyone else is
interested...

On Sat, Jul 13, 2002 at 08:46:13PM +0200, Alessandro Baretta wrote:
> Nicolas FRANCOIS (AKA El Bofo) wrote:
> >This is not a problem of your Mozilla. The "Reply to" field is set by the
> >list manager.
> 
> This is precisely why I have asked that the list manager set 
> the Reply To: field to "caml-list@inria.fr"

Actually, Mozilla has, as do most modern mailers, a Reply-to-All function:
Message->Reply to All, or Ctrl-Shift-R.  In fact, if you use something like
Mutt, you actually get a Reply-to-List function, if you've configured
things properly.

> >>Another possible means of addressing the issue would be to 
> >>configure the mailing list server to fill in the "From:" 
> >>field with the address of the list as opposed to the address 
> >>of the actual sender of the message.
> >
> >Again, it is not a problem with "From", but with "Reply to".
> 
> Correct. In my previous message I had mentioned the wrong field.

An interesting document detailing one person's opinion on the subject:

    http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html

Basically, the idea is that without adding (or worse, changing) the
Reply-To field, you can choose how you want to reply -- to sender, or to
all -- but if a Reply-To header is added, you lose that functionality.  I 
don't speak for the caml-list managers, but perhaps this is the reason why 
they don't use such a header.

cheers,
William
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Re: [Caml-list] Newsgroup?

[achrist]

The volume on the list has grown much since I subscribed. I don't
see any info on how to digest, if at all on the subscribe page or
on the command summary that the list manager sends.  That would be
nice.  A newsgroup would be nice. 

Al

Alessandro Baretta wrote:
> 
> Nicolas FRANCOIS (AKA El Bofo) wrote:
> >
> > This is not a problem of your Mozilla. The "Reply to" field is set by the
> > list manager.
> 
> This is precisely why I have asked that the list manager set
> the Reply To: field to "caml-list@inria.fr"
> 
> >
> >>Another possible means of addressing the issue would be to
> >>configure the mailing list server to fill in the "From:"
> >>field with the address of the list as opposed to the address
> >>of the actual sender of the message.
> >
> >
> > Again, it is not a problem with "From", but with "Reply to".
> 
> Correct. In my previous message I had mentioned the wrong field.
> 
> Alex
> 
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Re: [Caml-list] Newsgroup?

[Stefano Zacchiroli]

On Sat, Jul 13, 2002 at 08:46:13PM +0200, Alessandro Baretta wrote:
> This is precisely why I have asked that the list manager set 
> the Reply To: field to "caml-list@inria.fr"

No, plese not, Reply-To: should be left to the freedom of the poster, If
you set this field to the ML a poster can't set it to another value
when, for example, it's temporarly available under a new address.

Just use a MUA that support a "list reply" like mutt and many else.

WRT newsgroup I suggest the use of a mailing list - newsgroup gateway so
that we can have a mailing list (with archives, search engine, ecc) AND
a newsgroup (where one have not to download all post, group reply :),
...).

I suggest "pyg", a likely tool that keep in sync a mailing list and a
newsgroup forwarding messages that came from a source to the other and
viceversa. It was written in Python (I know, in OCaml it should be
better, but .... :-))))

Cheers.

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Re: [Caml-list] Newsgroup?

[Xavier Leroy]

> The volume on the list has grown much since I subscribed. I don't
> see any info on how to digest, if at all on the subscribe page or
> on the command summary that the list manager sends.  That would be
> nice.  A newsgroup would be nice. 

There is no digest for the caml-list, although the mailing list
manager that we use (Majordomo) can be configured to support a digest
list.  However, I was under the impression that digests aren't very
popular these days, in particular because they make it inconvenient to
reply to a particular message.

As for newsgroups, there already exists two newsgroups where Caml
discussions are on topic: comp.lang.ml and comp.lang.functional.
Everyone is free to post messages on these newsgroups instead of on
the caml-list.  That most of the discussions on Caml go to caml-list
seems to indicate that most posters prefer a mailing list.

The solution, I believe, is on your side: it is not hard to filter
caml-list messages to a special mailbox, and/or read it as if it were
a newsgroup.  I know how to do this with procmail and Gnus, but I
believe that even Outlook Express and Netscape Mail can do this.  

- Xavier Leroy
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Re: [Caml-list] Newsgroup?

[Chris Hecker]

>As for newsgroups, there already exists two newsgroups where Caml
>discussions are on topic: comp.lang.ml and comp.lang.functional.
>Everyone is free to post messages on these newsgroups instead of on
>the caml-list.  That most of the discussions on Caml go to caml-list
>seems to indicate that most posters prefer a mailing list.

Uh, isn't the mailing list already reflected to a newsgroup called fa.caml?

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=fa.caml

If I post to the group, does it not come to the list?  It certainly works 
the other way.  Perhaps I will test it now and potentially annoy everyone.

Chris

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[Caml-list] Re: Newsgroup?

[Johannes Grødem]

* achrist@easystreet.com:

> A newsgroup would be nice. 

It's available as a newsgroup on news.gmane.org.  (As
gmane.comp.lang.caml.inria.)

(See http://gmane.org/.)

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Re: [Caml-list] Newsgroup?

[Chris Hecker]

>Uh, isn't the mailing list already reflected to a newsgroup called fa.caml?
>http://groups.google.com/groups?q=fa.caml
>If I post to the group, does it not come to the list?  It certainly works 
>the other way.  Perhaps I will test it now and potentially annoy everyone.

Nope, it didn't seem to work.  The post went up on groups.google on 
fa.caml, but didn't reflect onto the list.

Chris


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