From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Delivered-To: caml-list@yquem.inria.fr Received: from nez-perce.inria.fr (nez-perce.inria.fr [192.93.2.78]) by yquem.inria.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D22EBC32 for ; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 23:12:38 +0100 (CET) Received: from pauillac.inria.fr (pauillac.inria.fr [128.93.11.35]) by nez-perce.inria.fr (8.13.0/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j2FMCbwH020983 for ; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 23:12:37 +0100 Received: from concorde.inria.fr (concorde.inria.fr [192.93.2.39]) by pauillac.inria.fr (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA26161 for ; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 23:12:37 +0100 (MET) Received: from ryxa.irisa.fr (ryxa.irisa.fr [131.254.50.45]) by concorde.inria.fr (8.13.0/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j2FMCa6n007928 for ; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 23:12:37 +0100 Received: (from pad@localhost) by ryxa.irisa.fr (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j2FMCYB03316; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 23:12:34 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: ryxa.irisa.fr: pad set sender to padiolea@irisa.fr using -f Sender: pad@ryxa.irisa.fr To: "William D.Neumann" Cc: padiolea@irisa.fr, "Jon Harrop" , caml-list@inria.fr Subject: Re: [Caml-list] OCaml troll on Slashdot References: <42363A86.6010309@1969.ws> <200503150859.55997.jon@ffconsultancy.com> <200503152036.45894.jon@ffconsultancy.com> <32977.131.254.50.45.1110920621.squirrel@mail.irisa.fr> From: Yoann Padioleau Date: 15 Mar 2005 23:12:34 +0100 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Miltered: at nez-perce with ID 42375DD5.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Miltered: at concorde with ID 42375DD4.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Spam: no; 0.00; caml-list:01 ocaml:01 irisa:01 irisa:01 wwwfun:01 ocaml:01 arrays:01 functionnal:01 pierce's:01 eijiro:01 sumii:01 trolls:01 trolls:01 caml-list:01 beginner's:01 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.2 (2004-11-16) on yquem.inria.fr X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=disabled version=3.0.2 X-Spam-Level: "William D.Neumann" writes: > On Mar 15, 2005, at 2:03 PM, padiolea@irisa.fr wrote: > > > where ? > > http://wwwfun.kurims.kyoto-u.ac.jp/~garrigue/garden2.ml > > > Yes but this ocaml code use array ? > > Lists and arrays. Each where it's appropriate. I agree. > > > In that case it supports what the "troll" said, that is > > the resulting code is no more "functionnal". > > To which, I'd assume the majority response would be, "So?" So some of his arguments are right. You make object "So?" but we could continue a long moment that way. > And to > which I might add Benjamin Pierce's comment, "Most arguments about > 'What is the essence of...?' do more to reveal the prejudices of the > participants than to uncover any objective truth about the topic of > discussion. Attempts to define the term 'object-oriented' are no > exception." Sure, he wrote it in regards to object oriented > programming, but it fits functional programming very well Well not trying to define stuff is better ? > (a polymorphic comment, indeed). :) > > > He is not a newbie, this garden optimization problem is not that > > simple. > > Well, a five minute glance at the code seems to indicate a very > shallow understanding of OCaml. He might be a wizard in other aspects > of programming/CS, but dollars to donuts "dollars to donuts" ? I am an american newbie so I have no idea of what it means :) > he's very much an OCaml newbie. He is far better than most of my students. It all depends on what you call a newbie. We are all the newbie of someone else (except perhaps xavier leroy, eijiro sumii and company). > > > Perhaps the python/perl/ruby community are successful because they > > answer to those "trolls" who often then become the first > > advocater of the langage who in turn answer to other "trolls" which > > make the community bigger and bigger. > > I dunno. A couple of days ago there was a /. story about the new > Randal Schwartz book, and at least one person was complaining about > the perl newsgroups/mailing lists being full of unfriendly, unhelpful > folk. yes but there is also full of friendly helpful folks. > > William D. Neumann > > "You've got Rita Marlowe in the palm of your hand." > "Palm of my hand? You haven't seen Rita Marlowe..." > > -- Will Success Spoil Rock Hunter? > > _______________________________________________ > Caml-list mailing list. Subscription management: > http://yquem.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/caml-list > Archives: http://caml.inria.fr > Beginner's list: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ocaml_beginners > Bug reports: http://caml.inria.fr/bin/caml-bugs > -- Yoann Padioleau, INSA de Rennes, France www.irisa.fr/prive/padiolea/ Opinions expressed here are only mine. Je n'écris qu'à titre personnel. **____ Get Free. Be Smart. Simply use Linux and Free Software. ____**