From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: (from weis@localhost) by pauillac.inria.fr (8.7.6/8.7.3) id IAA25639 for caml-red; Thu, 1 Feb 2001 08:46:20 +0100 (MET) Received: from concorde.inria.fr (concorde.inria.fr [192.93.2.39]) by pauillac.inria.fr (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA28861 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 21:34:53 +0100 (MET) Received: from smtpproxy1.mitre.org (mb-20-100.mitre.org [129.83.20.100]) by concorde.inria.fr (8.11.1/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0VKYkX09716; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 21:34:47 +0100 (MET) Received: from avsrv1.mitre.org (avsrv1.mitre.org [129.83.20.58]) by smtpproxy1.mitre.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA26745; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 15:34:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from linus.mitre.org (linus.mitre.org [129.83.10.1]) by smtpsrv1.mitre.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA17392; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 15:34:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from malabar.mitre.org (malabar.mitre.org [129.83.10.30]) by linus.mitre.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA23891; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 15:34:42 -0500 (EST) Received: (from guttman@localhost) by malabar.mitre.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA18383; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 15:34:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: malabar.mitre.org: guttman set sender to guttman@mitre.org using -f To: Michel.Mauny@inria.fr Cc: caml-list@inria.fr, guttman@mitre.org (Joshua D. Guttman) Subject: Re: Consortium Caml Reply-To: guttman@mitre.org (Joshua D. Guttman disp: current) References: <20010126163821.A4855@quincy.inria.fr> From: guttman@mitre.org (Joshua D. Guttman) Date: 31 Jan 2001 15:34:42 -0500 In-Reply-To: Michel Mauny's message of "Fri, 26 Jan 2001 16:38:21 -0500" Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.0807 (Gnus v5.8.7) Emacs/20.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: weis@pauillac.inria.fr Michel Mauny writes: > the Consortium will be the place where the members can identify > their common requirements, exchange their experiences and > solutions, and co-operate to propose a particular development of > general interest. One of the Consortium's roles is therefore to be > a place where users of the language can meet and exchange > information. I wonder whether it would be possible to explain the proposed activities of the consortium in more detail. How does it differ from this mailing list, for instance? Many of these activities have been going on through this mailing list. I've been using Caml for my programming for four years now, and I've been gradually coaxing, luring, or coercing my colleagues into joining me. There has been some resistance, such as "Won't it be done quicker if I just use Java? I already know all the libraries." But there is now a nucleus of Caml usage here, and I think that the English translation of the Chailloux/Manoury/Pagano book will speed the process. So I would like to have my organization join the consortium. However, to get authorization to spend a couple thousand euros, I need to be able to explain exactly what the benefits to the company will be. How shall I explain this? I'd also ask whether the cost may be a trap. Is 2,000 euros per member enough to make a big difference to INRIA? Does it offset the disadvantage of being a barrier to joining? Would it be better to have a fee of say 500 euros, which may lead to many more members? Many projects can spend on that scale without much explanation to outside bureaucrats. Thanks very much. Caml is a remarkably high quality system, and I hope for the success of the consortium as a way to promote it. Joshua -- Joshua D. Guttman MITRE, Mail Stop A150 202 Burlington Rd. Tel: +1 781 271 2654 Bedford, MA 01730-1420 USA Fax: +1 781 271 3816