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From: "Jacques Carette" <carette@mcmaster.ca>
To: brogoff <brogoff@speakeasy.net>
Cc: Ocaml <caml-list@inria.fr>
Subject: Re: [Caml-list] Pervasives.compare output type
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 13:21:45 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <web-87495698@cgpsrv2.cis.mcmaster.ca> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0503300744400.32641@shell4.speakeasy.net>

brogoff <brogoff@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> Speaking as an industrial user, I don't see it as such an either/or. I'd
> prefer that enhancements (thisisn't a bug) which require rewriting code
> be done as few times as possible, so that each release doesn't require
> rewriting code. So, let's say for example that the implementors decide to
> change this, and to fix evaluation order to be left to right, I'd prefer
> that it were done in one release, rather than two separate ones.

If I were still in a position to decide such things, that is indeed what I would do:  assuming yearly releases, then 
every third release would be a 'big' one where large changes would be introduced together, and with a couple of 
releases in between that were as backwards compatible as possible.

> I think even industrial users should realize that OCaml is a research langauge,
> and while we're grateful that it is generally quite stable from relase to
> release, that research goals take some precedence. Maybe one day the
> implementors will decide to "radically" change things, as in the move from
> Caml Light to Caml Special Light/OCaml.

My experience (~15 years with the one piece of software, with access to its full history) with software that is now 25 
years old is that 'major' changes should be planned every 3 years, and 'radical' changes every 6-7 years.  That should 
be sufficient to keep the softare healthy and progressing.  I have seen the effect of periods of 6-9 years of relative 
sclerosis (ie basically only new features), and the result was a lot of bloat with questionable new features and much 
less progress on the 'core'.

Of course, the core of OCaml is much more solid than what I was working on.  It is based on very solid theory, which 
also helps a lot.

But theory is also advancing rapidly.  Haskell 6.4's inclusion of GADTs in the core language is exerting a powerful 
pull on me.  On another front, System E looks like a promising 'replacement' for System F based polymorphism - that 
might be a 'radical' change ;-).  But right now metaocaml is keeping me programming in ocaml...

Jacques


  reply	other threads:[~2005-03-30 18:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-03-24 18:47 Alex Baretta
2005-03-24 19:41 ` [Caml-list] " Richard Jones
2005-03-24 21:00   ` Marcin 'Qrczak' Kowalczyk
2005-03-24 21:38     ` Bardur Arantsson
2005-03-24 22:07       ` [Caml-list] " Jason Hickey
2005-03-24 22:26         ` brogoff
2005-03-25  9:42         ` Alex Baretta
2005-04-01  5:59           ` Aleksey Nogin
2005-03-24 22:15       ` Marcin 'Qrczak' Kowalczyk
2005-03-24 22:41         ` Bardur Arantsson
2005-03-25  9:43         ` [Caml-list] " Alex Baretta
2005-03-29  7:14 ` [Caml-list] " Oliver Bandel
2005-03-30 14:17 ` Xavier Leroy
2005-03-30 14:45   ` Alex Baretta
2005-03-30 15:11     ` Jacques Carette
2005-03-30 15:28       ` Alex Baretta
2005-03-30 17:47       ` brogoff
2005-03-30 18:21         ` Jacques Carette [this message]
2005-03-30 18:49           ` brogoff
2005-03-30 20:06             ` Jon Harrop
2005-03-30 20:43               ` Jacques Carette
2005-03-30 22:14                 ` Christopher Dutchyn
2005-03-31  0:44                 ` brogoff
2005-03-30 22:43             ` GADT?? (Re: [Caml-list] Pervasives.compare output type) Oliver Bandel
2005-03-30 22:35     ` [Caml-list] Pervasives.compare output type Oliver Bandel

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