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From: Wojciech Meyer <wojciech.meyer@googlemail.com>
To: "Jérémie Dimino" <jeremie@dimino.org>
Cc: Xavier Leroy <Xavier.Leroy@inria.fr>, caml-list@inria.fr
Subject: Re: [Caml-list] OCaml maintenance status / community fork (again)
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 19:10:41 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <wf1uscw8cu.fsf@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <wfhb18wa1c.fsf@gmail.com> (Wojciech Meyer's message of "Sat, 10 Dec 2011 18:34:23 +0000")

Wojciech Meyer <wojciech.meyer@googlemail.com> writes:

> Hi,
>
> Jérémie Dimino <jeremie@dimino.org> writes:
>
>> But there is something i don't understand here. Why is there camlp4 and
>> camlp5 ? These two projects do exactly the same thing and are
>> incompatible. So i don't see the point of maintaining them both. We
>> should at least deprecate one.
>
> BTW: Are there any plans to add type reflection to Camlp4 (or Camlp5)?

Hi Jérémie,

Sorry about OT.

I'm asking, because certainly it would be a very wanted feature. I can
see two major limitations of the current Camlp4/p5 system:

- no way of recursively expand syntax, generate some code and then
  re-generate again using same syntax (staging, it's partially there as
  you can compose syntax extensions, but there is no way to keep
  expanding until fixpoint)

- no way of making an action based on inferred type during previous stage
  of macro expansions. This is biggie. It needs either using `ocaml -i' hack
  or kind of type reflection support in the compiler.

Also, a packrat lexless parsers with a way to compose them would be a
huge thing too. 

I'm aware that these are huge changes to Camlp4, but it would make
meta programming more powerful and push Camlp4 to the next level.

People will mention about MetaOCaml (which is an excellent way for meta
programming in OCaml), but here I'm more interested in syntactical
abstraction than partial evaluation.

Cheers;

Wojciech


  reply	other threads:[~2011-12-10 19:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 78+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-12-08  9:10 Benedikt Meurer
2011-12-08  9:54 ` Alain Frisch
2011-12-08 10:28   ` Benedikt Meurer
2011-12-08 10:46     ` Alain Frisch
2011-12-08 11:08       ` Benedikt Meurer
2011-12-08 16:42       ` Fabrice Le Fessant
2011-12-08 10:47     ` ivan chollet
2011-12-08 14:07       ` oliver
2011-12-08 11:11     ` Pierre-Alexandre Voye
2011-12-08 18:18       ` Török Edwin
2011-12-09 21:42         ` oliver
2011-12-08 10:16 ` Gabriel Scherer
2011-12-08 11:07 ` Stéphane Glondu
2011-12-09  2:11 ` Jacques Garrigue
2011-12-09 10:37   ` Jérémie Dimino
2011-12-09 11:03     ` Gabriel Scherer
2011-12-09 11:17       ` Stefano Zacchiroli
2011-12-09 11:50         ` Jonathan Protzenko
2011-12-09 12:36           ` Alain Frisch
2011-12-09 23:22         ` Goswin von Brederlow
2011-12-09 22:33       ` oliver
2011-12-09 14:24     ` Benedikt Meurer
2011-12-09 17:00       ` Mehdi Dogguy
2011-12-09 17:36         ` Benedikt Meurer
2011-12-09 17:45           ` Mehdi Dogguy
2011-12-09 23:24             ` Goswin von Brederlow
2011-12-10  9:31               ` Benedikt Meurer
2011-12-10 14:45 ` Xavier Leroy
2011-12-10 15:58   ` Benedikt Meurer
2011-12-12 10:21     ` Xavier Leroy
2011-12-12 10:59       ` Benedikt Meurer
2011-12-12 12:20         ` Mehdi Dogguy
2011-12-12 15:17           ` Goswin von Brederlow
2011-12-19  4:09           ` Romain Beauxis
2011-12-19 17:35             ` Alain Frisch
2011-12-12 12:57         ` Gerd Stolpmann
2011-12-10 17:06   ` Török Edwin
2011-12-10 18:28   ` Jérémie Dimino
2011-12-10 18:34     ` Wojciech Meyer
2011-12-10 19:10       ` Wojciech Meyer [this message]
2011-12-10 20:55         ` Jérémie Dimino
2011-12-10 21:40           ` [Caml-list] Camlp4/p5 type reflection [was: OCaml maintenance status / community fork (again)] Wojciech Meyer
2011-12-10 23:34             ` Gabriel Scherer
2011-12-11  0:47               ` [Caml-list] Camlp4/p5 type reflection [ Wojciech Meyer
2011-12-11 11:19                 ` Gabriel Scherer
2011-12-11 18:14                   ` Jérémie Dimino
2011-12-11  9:04               ` [Caml-list] Camlp4/p5 type reflection [was: OCaml maintenance status / community fork (again)] Stéphane Glondu
2011-12-11  9:36                 ` Török Edwin
2011-12-11 10:29                 ` Gabriel Scherer
2011-12-11 11:23                   ` Gerd Stolpmann
2011-12-11 11:38                     ` Gabriel Scherer
2011-12-11 10:20               ` Fabrice Le Fessant
2011-12-11 10:47                 ` Gabriel Scherer
2011-12-11 13:27               ` Alain Frisch
2011-12-11 13:35                 ` Gabriel Scherer
2011-12-11 13:42                   ` Alain Frisch
2011-12-11 13:36                 ` Arnaud Spiwack
2011-12-11 13:46                 ` Stéphane Glondu
2011-12-10 23:28   ` [Caml-list] OCaml maintenance status / community fork (again) Jesper Louis Andersen
2011-12-11 11:02     ` Gerd Stolpmann
2011-12-13 19:36       ` oliver
2011-12-14 12:13         ` Gerd Stolpmann
2011-12-16 10:03           ` Stéphane Glondu
2011-12-11 13:33   ` Goswin von Brederlow
2011-12-11 13:59     ` [Caml-list] Community distribution [was: OCaml maintenance status / community fork (again)] Benedikt Meurer
2011-12-12 17:48   ` [Caml-list] OCaml maintenance status / community fork (again) Stéphane Glondu
2011-12-13 20:39     ` [Caml-list] New experimental ARM backend [was: OCaml maintenance status / community fork (again)] Benedikt Meurer
2011-12-14  9:18       ` Mark Shinwell
2011-12-14 21:51         ` Benedikt Meurer
2011-12-18 11:57       ` [Caml-list] " Benedikt Meurer
2011-12-18 13:08         ` Benedikt Meurer
2011-12-18 14:50           ` Alexandre Pilkiewicz
2011-12-18 16:42             ` Benedikt Meurer
2011-12-18 17:23           ` Stéphane Glondu
2011-12-21 10:11             ` [Caml-list] " Benedikt Meurer
2011-12-18 13:16         ` [Caml-list] " Benedikt Meurer
2011-12-17 18:36   ` [Caml-list] OCaml maintenance status / community fork (again) Stéphane Glondu
2011-12-18  4:25     ` Till Varoquaux

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