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From: Martin Escardo <m.escardo@cs.bham.ac.uk>
To: CATEGORIES LIST <categories@mta.ca>
Subject: Cauchy completeness of Cauchy reals
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 10:13:57 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <15918.28389.594290.761117@acws-0054.cs.bham.ac.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <vka65sis78z.fsf@laurie.fmf.uni-lj.si>

Andrej Bauer writes:
 > find a topos in which Cauchy reals
 > are not Cauchy complete (i.e., not every Cauchy sequence of reals has
 > a limit). For extra credit, make it so that the Cauchy completion of
 > Cauchy reals is strictly smaller than the Dedekind reals.

One small clarification: Regarding the extra credit, there doesn't
seem to be a reasonable "absolute" way of defining the completion in
question. E.g.  the various, constructively different, notions of
metric completion already assume the existence of some given complete
reals. However, one can always embed the Cauchy reals into the
Dedekind reals, which are always Cauchy complete, and then look at the
smallest "subset" containing this which is closed under limits of
Cauchy sequences (where Cauchy sequences are defined as in Andrej's
message). We sometimes call this, somewhat verbosely, "the Cauchy
completion of the Cauchy reals within the Dedekind reals".  But notice
that this is the same as what one gets starting from the rationals
within the Dedekind reals and then closing under limits and hence
could be called the "Cauchy completion of the rationals within the
Dedekind reals".

NB. Freyd characterized the Dedekind reals as a final coalgebra. Alex
Simpson and I characterized "the Cauchy completion of the rationals
within the Dedekind reals" as a free algebra (to be precise, we
started from the algebras as a primitive notion and later found this
construction of the free one). But this has already been discussed in
postings in the past few years.

Martin Escardo







  reply	other threads:[~2003-01-22 10:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-01-15 14:00 Generalization of Browder's F.P. Theorem? Peter McBurney
2003-01-16 14:04 ` Steven J Vickers
2003-01-16 23:00   ` Prof. Peter Johnstone
2003-01-16 23:05   ` Michael Barr
2003-01-21 18:11     ` Andrej Bauer
2003-01-22 10:13       ` Martin Escardo [this message]
2003-01-22 23:33         ` Cauchy completeness of Cauchy reals Dusko Pavlovic
2003-01-23 19:56           ` Category Theory in Biology Peter McBurney
2003-01-24  8:51           ` Cauchy completeness of Cauchy reals Martin Escardo
2003-01-25  2:21             ` Dusko Pavlovic
2003-01-25 16:24               ` Prof. Peter Johnstone
2003-01-27  3:57                 ` Alex Simpson
2003-01-23  6:29         ` Vaughan Pratt
2003-02-04  0:47           ` Vaughan Pratt
2003-02-05 16:06             ` Prof. Peter Johnstone
2003-01-23  9:50         ` Mamuka Jibladze
2003-01-24  1:34         ` Ross Street
2003-01-24 16:56       ` Dusko Pavlovic
2003-01-24 19:48         ` Dusko Pavlovic
2003-01-27 17:41 Andrej Bauer
2003-01-28  1:50 ` Alex Simpson
2003-01-28  9:44 Andrej Bauer
2003-01-28 20:51 Dusko Pavlovic
2003-01-29  2:00 ` Toby Bartels
2003-01-29  8:35 ` Alex Simpson
2003-02-04  9:15   ` Dusko Pavlovic
2003-02-05 20:56     ` Toby Bartels

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