From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.science.mathematics.categories/2294 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Nikita Danilov Newsgroups: gmane.science.mathematics.categories Subject: Re: connected categories and epimorphisms. Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 13:13:04 +0400 Message-ID: <16073.61856.465785.65278@laputa.namesys.com> References: <200305181819.h4IIJIgU022776@saul.cis.upenn.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1241018555 3424 80.91.229.2 (29 Apr 2009 15:22:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 15:22:35 +0000 (UTC) To: categories@mta.ca Original-X-From: rrosebru@mta.ca Tue May 20 16:09:05 2003 -0300 Return-path: Envelope-to: categories-list@mta.ca Delivery-date: Tue, 20 May 2003 16:09:05 -0300 Original-Received: from Majordom by mailserv.mta.ca with local (Exim 4.10) id 19ICRh-0005f6-00 for categories-list@mta.ca; Tue, 20 May 2003 16:06:45 -0300 X-PGP-Fingerprint: 43CE 9384 5A1D CD75 5087 A876 A1AA 84D0 CCAA AC92 X-PGP-Key-ID: CCAAAC92 X-PGP-Key-At: http://wwwkeys.pgp.net:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xCCAAAC92 In-Reply-To: <200305181819.h4IIJIgU022776@saul.cis.upenn.edu> Original-Sender: cat-dist@mta.ca Precedence: bulk X-Keywords: X-UID: 30 Original-Lines: 40 Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.science.mathematics.categories:2294 Archived-At: Peter Freyd writes: > The quickest natural example I know of a connected category in which > projections from products needn't be epi is the category of > commutative rings. Well, actually, the opposite category. The > coproduct of Z_2 and Z_3 is the terminal ring. The two > co-projections fail to be monic (the coproduct of a pair of objects in > this category is their tensor product). > It is interesting that construction of the coproduct in the category of "just" rings (associative, unitary, but not necessary commutative) is not easy to find in the literature. It seems, however, that it is relatively easy to construct: for given rings R1 and R2, let M1 and M2 be their multiplicative monoids and M be coproduct of M1 and M2 in the category of monoids. Form monoid ring of M over Z. That is, form free abelian group generated by underlying set of M and extend multiplication from generators by distributivity. Let's call resulting ring G. Let K be ideal in G generated by all elements of the form (A + B) - A - B, where both A and B belong to the same ring: either R1 or R2. That is, in ((A + B) - A - B) "+" is addition in R1 or R2, and "-" is subtraction in G. Now, quotient G/K is a coproduct of R1 and R2 in the category of rings, which is easy to prove using universal properties of coproduct M, monoid ring G, and epicness of the projection G ->> G/K. Is there more "direct" description of coproduct in the category of rings? > > Nikita.