From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.science.mathematics.categories/681 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: maxk@maths.usyd.edu.au (Max Kelly) Newsgroups: gmane.science.mathematics.categories Subject: Re: Naturality Squares and Pullbacks Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 18:23:46 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <199803250723.SAA29896@milan.maths.usyd.edu.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1241017117 26884 80.91.229.2 (29 Apr 2009 14:58:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 14:58:37 +0000 (UTC) To: categories@mta.ca, nxg@cs.bham.ac.uk Original-X-From: cat-dist Wed Mar 25 11:51:00 1998 Original-Received: (from Majordom@localhost) by mailserv.mta.ca (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA25840 for categories-list; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 09:58:18 -0400 (AST) X-Authentication-Warning: mailserv.mta.ca: Majordom set sender to cat-dist@mta.ca using -f Original-Sender: cat-dist@mta.ca Precedence: bulk Original-Lines: 28 Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.science.mathematics.categories:681 Archived-At: In response to the question of Neil Ghani, namely A natural transformation is an indexed family of arrows such that a certain diagram commutes. One could require a stronger condition, namely that the said diagram is a pullback. What would such a transformation be called? I'm sure I've seen this in the literature before but I cant remember where. Pointers? This problem arose in the context of finitary monads where T(X) is the derived operations over a set X for some signature. The naturality square for the unit turns out to be a pullback. This then implies that the unit of the monad is a monic - presumably this is a result in the literature somewhere. Again, pointers? Neil Ghani this phenomenon is now quite well recognised. some call such natural transformations "cartesian", while others use Robin Cockett's term "shapely". For my own contribution to the subject, see [G.M. Kelly, On clubs and data-type constructors, in applications of Categories to Computer Science (Proc. LMS Symposium, Durham 1991), Cambridge Univ. Press 1992, 163-190]. Max Kelly.