From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.science.mathematics.categories/1382 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Martin H. Escardo" Newsgroups: gmane.science.mathematics.categories Subject: Re: Freyd's couniversal characterization of [0,1] Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 15:32:49 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <200001261432.PAA00407@agaric.ens.fr> References: <200001241914.UAA23504@agaric.ens.fr> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1241017788 30961 80.91.229.2 (29 Apr 2009 15:09:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 15:09:48 +0000 (UTC) To: categories@mta.ca Original-X-From: rrosebru@mta.ca Wed Jan 26 13:18:42 2000 -0400 Original-Received: (from Majordom@localhost) by mailserv.mta.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA18278 for categories-list; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 11:31:40 -0400 (AST) X-Authentication-Warning: mailserv.mta.ca: Majordom set sender to cat-dist@mta.ca using -f In-Reply-To: Original-Sender: cat-dist@mta.ca Precedence: bulk Original-Lines: 34 Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.science.mathematics.categories:1382 Archived-At: Andrej Bauer writes: > I can answer this for equilogical spaces. > > The functor F: Bi[Equ] ---> Bi[Equ] has a final coalgebra. It > is the equilogical space (C, ~) where C is the Cantor space > > C = 2^N = infinite sequences of 0's and 1's > > and ~ is the equivalence relation defined by > > a ~ b iff r(a) = r(b) > > where r: C --> [0,1] is defined by > > r(a) = \sum_{k=0}^\infty a_k / 2^{k+1} This is interesting in connection with some previous discussion in this list on "definability" of the mid-point operation "by coinduction". As it is well known, the mid-point operation is not continuously realizable via binary expansions with the Cantor topology. (As Andrej Bauer and other people have mentioned signed-digit binary expansions in this discussion, let me emphasize that, in contrast to the above situation, all continuous functions [-1,1]^n->[-1,1] are continuously realizable via signed-digit binary expansions with the Cantor topology. Put in another way, the space 3^N = (3^N)^n is projective over (the regular epimorphism) s:3^N->[-1,1], but the space 2^N is not projective over r:2^N->[0,1].) Martin Escardo