From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.science.mathematics.categories/1520 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Peter Freyd Newsgroups: gmane.science.mathematics.categories Subject: Bruennler question Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 10:46:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <200005171446.KAA01340@saul.cis.upenn.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1241017895 31631 80.91.229.2 (29 Apr 2009 15:11:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 15:11:35 +0000 (UTC) To: categories@mta.ca Original-X-From: rrosebru@mta.ca Wed May 17 12:37:22 2000 -0300 Original-Received: (from Majordom@localhost) by mailserv.mta.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA32201 for categories-list; Wed, 17 May 2000 12:33:42 -0300 (ADT) X-Authentication-Warning: mailserv.mta.ca: Majordom set sender to cat-dist@mta.ca using -f Original-Sender: cat-dist@mta.ca Precedence: bulk Original-Lines: 19 Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.science.mathematics.categories:1520 Archived-At: Kai Bruennler asks: Is there a binary product in the category of sets and functions that is "strictly associative", i.e. A x (B x C) = (A x B) x C and the associativity isomorphisms are equal to the identity? The answer is yes if you're willing to use a lot of choice. Perhaps the quickest construction is to assume a well-ordering on the universe with the property that x < y whenever x \in y. Then define the pair l:AxB --> A, r:AxB --> B by stipulating that AxB is a von Neumann ordinal "lexicagraphically ordered" by l and r, that is, (lx < ly) or (lx = ly and rx < ry) whenever (x \in y) and (y \in AxB).