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From: <jvoosten@math.uu.nl>
To: categories@mta.ca
Subject: Re: Realizibility and Partial Combinatory Algebras
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 10:57:42 +0100 (CET)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200302070957.KAA10380@kodder.math.uu.nl> (raw)


> Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 10:44:33 +0000 (GMT)
> From: "Prof. Peter Johnstone" <P.T.Johnstone@dpmms.cam.ac.uk>
> Subject: categories: Re: Realizibility and Partial Combinatory Algebras
>
> On Mon, 3 Feb 2003, Galchin Vasili wrote:
>
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> >      I understand (to some degree) full combinatory algebra, but I don't
> > understand the motivation behind the definition of a partial combinatory
> > algebra. E.g. why do we have Sxy converges/is defined?
>
> I'd like to know the answer to this too. Why does *everyone*, in writing
> down the definition of a PCA, include the assumption that Sxy is always
> defined? As far as I can see, the only answer is "because everyone else
> does so"; the condition is never used in the construction of
> realizability toposes, or in establishing any of their properties.
> In every case where you need to know that a particular term Sab is
> defined, it's easy to find a particular c such that Sabc is provably
> defined.
>
> Peter Johnstone

Dear Peter,

I think the relevance of this condition (Sxy defined) is explained in the
Hyland-Ong paper "Modified Realizability Toposes and Strong Normalization
Proofs" (TLCA, LNCS 664, 1993; reference 466 in the Elephant) where they
have a definition of "c-pca" which is just omitting this requirement.
They show that the standard P(A)-indexed preordered set, for a c-pca A,
can fail to be a tripos. So the condition IS used.

Another condition which is often imposed is really redundant: it is the
requirement that, if sxyz defined, then xz(yz) defined and equal to sxyz.
There are important constructions of realizability toposes where this
fails to hold.

Jaap van Oosten





             reply	other threads:[~2003-02-07  9:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 12+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-02-07  9:57 jvoosten [this message]
2003-02-07 23:43 ` Prof. Peter Johnstone
2003-02-09 19:09   ` Peter Lietz
2003-02-12 10:58   ` Realizability " John Longley
2003-02-13 17:34     ` Peter Lietz
2003-02-17 15:27       ` John Longley
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2003-02-04  2:29 Realizibility " Galchin Vasili
2003-02-05 18:19 ` John Longley
2003-02-12 19:28   ` Thomas Streicher
2003-02-06 10:44 ` Prof. Peter Johnstone
2003-02-07 12:57   ` Peter Lietz
2003-02-07 15:26 ` John Longley

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