From: Peter Freyd <pjf@saul.cis.upenn.edu>
To: categories@mta.ca
Subject: Re: Construction of a real closure
Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 09:45:45 -0400 (EDT) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <200605051345.k45DjjeM026892@saul.cis.upenn.edu> (raw)
Mike asks:
Is there a reference for the fact that a countable decidably ordered
field has a constructable (and decidably ordered) real closure?
The expert on all such questions is Anil Nerode .See his Effective
content of field theory (Ann. Math. Logic 17 (1979), no. 3, 289--320)
for a collection of all the relevant results.
John writes:
Briefly, while the existence of an algebraic closure of Q
can be shown without choice, it uniqueness-up-to-isomorphism
seems to require choice. Also, while arithmetic operations
in Qbar are computable, they seem to present interesting challenges.
The need for choice could hardly arise when working with a decidable
countable structure such as Q.
One way of naming an algebraic real number is with an ordered triple
<l, P, r>, where l and r are rationals, P a monic polynomial with
rational coeficients that is irreducible over the rationals (the
decidablity of which can be found in van der Waerden) such that
P(l)P(r) < 0 and R(l)R(r) > 0 for R any of the non-tivial iterated
derivatives of P. Another such triple names the same element iff the
polynomials are the same and the intervals overlap. Effective
constructions for the ordered-field operations in this context are
pretty standard.
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