From: Mike Oliver <oliver@math.ucla.edu>
To: categories@mta.ca
Subject: Re: Is Zermelo-Fraenkel set theory inconsistent?
Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 07:52:01 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <37039621.7387D2A7@math.ucla.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <199904011210.NAA21705@wax.dcs.qmw.ac.uk>
Paul Taylor wrote:
> Now let L(infinity) be the union of L(n) over n:N.
>
> If L(infinity) |- false then L(n) |- false for some n.
>
> But L(infinity) |- ``L(n) is consistent,''
>
> so L(infinity) proves its OWN consistency,
> contradicting Godel's theorem.
How do you conclude, from the fact that L(infinity) |- "L(n) is consistent", that
L(n) is in fact consistent?
Generally, if T1 |- "T2 is consistent", then to conclude "T2 is consistent",
we use the following argument: Suppose T2 is inconsistent. Then
there is some proof by which T2 |- false. Assuming T1 is strong enough
to formalize the deductive system being used, then it follows
that T1 |- "T2 is inconsistent". But by hypothesis, T1 |- "T2 is consistent",
therefore T1 is inconsistent.
But this is not a contradiction unless we were already *assuming* the
consistency of T1 ! I.e. it follows from T1+Con(T1) that
if T1 |- Con(T2), then Con(T2), but it does *not* in general
follow from T1 alone.
So the step from
L(infinity) |- "L(n) is consistent"
to
L(n) is consistent
cannot be formalized in any obvious way in L(infinity), and therefore
you cannot (again in any obvious way) conclude
L(infinity) |- "L(infinity) is consistent."
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1999-04-01 12:10 Paul Taylor
1999-04-01 15:52 ` Mike Oliver [this message]
1999-04-01 20:23 ` Dusko Pavlovic
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