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From: Dusko Pavlovic <dusko@kestrel.edu>
To: CATEGORIES@mta.ca
Subject: Re: Is Zermelo-Fraenkel set theory inconsistent?
Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 12:23:09 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3703D5AD.CEE89138@kestrel.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <199904011210.NAA21705@wax.dcs.qmw.ac.uk>

>      Let L(0) be Zermelo set theory (or the axioms for an elementary topos).
>
>         For each n,  let L(n+1)  be   L(n)  plus
>         as much of the axiom-scheme of replacement as is needed
>         to justify the gluing construction that shows that
>
>                 L(n+1) |-  ``L(n) is consistent.''
>
>         Now let   L(infinity)   be   the union of  L(n) over n:N.
>
>         If    L(infinity) |- false   then   L(n) |- false   for some n.
>
>         But   L(infinity) |-  ``L(n) is consistent,''
>
>         so    L(infinity)   proves its OWN consistency,
>         contradicting Godel's theorem.
>
>         However,  L(infinity)   has a standard non-trivial interpretation
>         in Zermelo--Fraenkel set theory, which is therefore inconsistent.

i think there is a gap is in the step

        L(infinity) |- "L(n) is consistent"
        so L(infinity) proves its OWN consistency

formalized in a suitable category of theories and interpretations, paul's
construction, if i understand it correctly, refers to the colimit of the tower

        L(0) --> FL(0)  --> FFL(0)  -->...

where FX = X + replacement_X, so that FX |- "X is consistent".

IF the colimit of this tower, paul's L(infinity), were a fixpoint of F, THEN it
would indeed prove its own consistency. but it doesn't seem to be a fixpoint:
the restrictions of the replacement to L(0), FL(0) etc. do not imply the
replacement for L(infinity).

btw, i bought paul's book and warmly recommend it.

-- dusko






      parent reply	other threads:[~1999-04-01 20:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 3+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
1999-04-01 12:10 Paul Taylor
1999-04-01 15:52 ` Mike Oliver
1999-04-01 20:23 ` Dusko Pavlovic [this message]

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