From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.science.mathematics.categories/1097 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Dusko Pavlovic Newsgroups: gmane.science.mathematics.categories Subject: Re: Is Zermelo-Fraenkel set theory inconsistent? Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 12:23:09 -0800 Message-ID: <3703D5AD.CEE89138@kestrel.edu> References: <199904011210.NAA21705@wax.dcs.qmw.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1241017564 29492 80.91.229.2 (29 Apr 2009 15:06:04 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 15:06:04 +0000 (UTC) To: CATEGORIES@mta.ca Original-X-From: cat-dist Fri Apr 2 06:24:24 1999 Original-Received: (from Majordom@localhost) by mailserv.mta.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA23825 for categories-list; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 05:37:38 -0400 (AST) X-Authentication-Warning: mailserv.mta.ca: Majordom set sender to cat-dist@mta.ca using -f X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en Original-Sender: cat-dist@mta.ca Precedence: bulk Original-Lines: 44 Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.science.mathematics.categories:1097 Archived-At: > Let L(0) be Zermelo set theory (or the axioms for an elementary topos). > > For each n, let L(n+1) be L(n) plus > as much of the axiom-scheme of replacement as is needed > to justify the gluing construction that shows that > > L(n+1) |- ``L(n) is consistent.'' > > Now let L(infinity) be the union of L(n) over n:N. > > If L(infinity) |- false then L(n) |- false for some n. > > But L(infinity) |- ``L(n) is consistent,'' > > so L(infinity) proves its OWN consistency, > contradicting Godel's theorem. > > However, L(infinity) has a standard non-trivial interpretation > in Zermelo--Fraenkel set theory, which is therefore inconsistent. i think there is a gap is in the step L(infinity) |- "L(n) is consistent" so L(infinity) proves its OWN consistency formalized in a suitable category of theories and interpretations, paul's construction, if i understand it correctly, refers to the colimit of the tower L(0) --> FL(0) --> FFL(0) -->... where FX = X + replacement_X, so that FX |- "X is consistent". IF the colimit of this tower, paul's L(infinity), were a fixpoint of F, THEN it would indeed prove its own consistency. but it doesn't seem to be a fixpoint: the restrictions of the replacement to L(0), FL(0) etc. do not imply the replacement for L(infinity). btw, i bought paul's book and warmly recommend it. -- dusko