From: Dusko Pavlovic <dusko@kestrel.edu>
To: CATEGORIES LIST <categories@mta.ca>
Subject: Re: Cauchy completeness of Cauchy reals
Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 08:56:29 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <3E31703D.9030801@kestrel.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <vka65sis78z.fsf@laurie.fmf.uni-lj.si>
Andrej Bauer wrote:
>There seems to be an open question in regard to this, advertised by
>Alex Simpson and Martin Escardo: find a topos in which Cauchy reals
>are not Cauchy complete (i.e., not every Cauchy sequence of reals has
>a limit). For extra credit, make it so that the Cauchy completion of
>Cauchy reals is strictly smaller than the Dedekind reals.
>
this will give me negative credits one way or another, but here it goes:
let a = (a_i) be a cauchy sequence of rationals between 0 and 1. (cauchy
means |a_m - a_n| < 1/m + 1/n, as in andrej's message.)
let b = (b_i) be the subsequence b_i = a_{2^i+3}. b and a are equivalent
in the sense from the message, because
|a_m - b_n| < 1/m + 1/(2^n+3) < 2/m + 2/n
note that
|b_i - b_{i+k}| < 1/(2^i+3) + 1/(2^(i+k)+3) < 1/(2^i+2)
now define x_i to be the simplest dyadic that falls in the interval
between b_i - 1/2^(i+2) and b_i + 1/2^(i+2). in other words, to get x_i,
begin adding 1/2 + 1/4 + 1/8... until you overshoot b_i - 1/2^(1+2). if
you also overshoot b_i + 1/2^(1+2), and the last summand was 1/2^k, skip
it, and try adding 1/2^(k+1), etc. one of them must fall in between. a
less childish way to say this is that x_i is the shortest irredundant
binary (no infinite sequences of 1) such that
|b_i - x_i| < 1/2^(i+2)
so x = (x_i) is a cauchy sequence equivalent to b, with
|x_i - x_{i+k}| <= |x_i-b_i| + | b_i - b_{i+k}| + |b_{i+k} - x_{i+k}| <
< 1/2^(i+2) + 1/2^(i+2) + 1/2^(i+k+2) <
< 1/2^i
this means that the first i digits of x_i and x_{i+k} coincide.
now let X be the binary number such that its first i digits are the same
as in x_i, for every i. (if it ends on an infinte sequence of 1s,
replace it by the corresponding irredundant representative.) this is
clearly a constant cauchy sequence equivalent to x, so it is its limit.
since x is equivalent to b
|b_m - x_n| <= |b_m - b_n| + |b_n - x_n| < 1/2^(m+3) + 1/2^(n+3) +
1/2^(n+2) < 2/m + 2/n
and b is equivalent to a, X is also the limit of a.
is there an error in the above reasoning? i can't find it. on the other
hand, i printed out the paper by alex and martin, and the conjecture is
stated rather strongly, so i guess i must be missing something.
-- dusko
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2003-01-24 16:56 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2003-01-15 14:00 Generalization of Browder's F.P. Theorem? Peter McBurney
2003-01-16 14:04 ` Steven J Vickers
2003-01-16 23:00 ` Prof. Peter Johnstone
2003-01-16 23:05 ` Michael Barr
2003-01-21 18:11 ` Andrej Bauer
2003-01-22 10:13 ` Cauchy completeness of Cauchy reals Martin Escardo
2003-01-22 23:33 ` Dusko Pavlovic
2003-01-23 19:56 ` Category Theory in Biology Peter McBurney
2003-01-24 8:51 ` Cauchy completeness of Cauchy reals Martin Escardo
2003-01-25 2:21 ` Dusko Pavlovic
2003-01-25 16:24 ` Prof. Peter Johnstone
2003-01-27 3:57 ` Alex Simpson
2003-01-23 6:29 ` Vaughan Pratt
2003-02-04 0:47 ` Vaughan Pratt
2003-02-05 16:06 ` Prof. Peter Johnstone
2003-01-23 9:50 ` Mamuka Jibladze
2003-01-24 1:34 ` Ross Street
2003-01-24 16:56 ` Dusko Pavlovic [this message]
2003-01-24 19:48 ` Dusko Pavlovic
2003-01-27 17:41 Andrej Bauer
2003-01-28 1:50 ` Alex Simpson
2003-01-28 9:44 Andrej Bauer
2003-01-28 20:51 Dusko Pavlovic
2003-01-29 2:00 ` Toby Bartels
2003-01-29 8:35 ` Alex Simpson
2003-02-04 9:15 ` Dusko Pavlovic
2003-02-05 20:56 ` Toby Bartels
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