From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.science.mathematics.categories/2300 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Till Mossakowski Newsgroups: gmane.science.mathematics.categories Subject: Topos logic arises naturally Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 12:44:36 +0200 Message-ID: <3ED34194.9050005@informatik.uni-bremen.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1241018559 3445 80.91.229.2 (29 Apr 2009 15:22:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 15:22:39 +0000 (UTC) To: Categories Original-X-From: rrosebru@mta.ca Tue May 27 17:17:24 2003 -0300 Return-path: Envelope-to: categories-list@mta.ca Delivery-date: Tue, 27 May 2003 17:17:24 -0300 Original-Received: from Majordom by mailserv.mta.ca with local (Exim 4.10) id 19KkrT-0005N2-00 for categories-list@mta.ca; Tue, 27 May 2003 17:15:55 -0300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030313 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en Original-Sender: cat-dist@mta.ca Precedence: bulk X-Keywords: X-UID: 50 Original-Lines: 45 Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.science.mathematics.categories:2300 Archived-At: You see: even with just aesthetic and software engineering considerations you are eventually lead to topos logic... -- Till Mossakowski Phone +49-421-218-4683 Dept. of Computer Science Fax +49-421-218-3054 University of Bremen till@tzi.de P.O.Box 330440, D-28334 Bremen http://www.tzi.de/~till Message-Id: <200305270616.h4R6G3w8008134@plxc2089.pdx.intel.com> To: Randy Pollack cc: John Harrison , isabelle-users@cl.cam.ac.uk Subject: Re: HOL without description operators Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 23:16:03 -0700 From: John R Harrison Sender: Larry Paulson Hi Randy, | Perhaps more usefully, how do you suggest I do this task of developing HOL | without description operators. You might find it interesting to look at HOL Light. This gives a different axiomatization of the HOL logic, developed precisely because I was dissatisfied with the one in the original HOL system, on which I believe the Isabelle/HOL logic is based. Although I do eventually introduce the description operator, quite a lot of the basic logic --- including the automation of inductive definitions --- is developed without it (and indeed without excluded middle or extensionality). You may find it a more congenial starting-point. As Konrad Slind later pointed out, what I settled on is remarkably close to the internal logic of a topos, as presented for example in Lambek and Scott's book. This was a surprise to me since at that time I knew next to nothing about toposes and was motivated by a mixture of aesthetic and software engineering considerations. Cheers, John.