From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.science.mathematics.categories/3118 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: dusko Newsgroups: gmane.science.mathematics.categories Subject: Re: cracks and pots Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 04:05:46 -0800 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1241019105 7319 80.91.229.2 (29 Apr 2009 15:31:45 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 15:31:45 +0000 (UTC) To: categories@mta.ca Original-X-From: rrosebru@mta.ca Thu Mar 16 20:28:57 2006 -0400 Return-path: Envelope-to: categories-list@mta.ca Delivery-date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 20:28:57 -0400 Original-Received: from Majordom by mailserv.mta.ca with local (Exim 4.52) id 1FK2e7-0006x2-AE for categories-list@mta.ca; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 20:16:47 -0400 Original-Sender: cat-dist@mta.ca Precedence: bulk X-Keywords: X-UID: 64 Original-Lines: 46 Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.science.mathematics.categories:3118 Archived-At: On Mar 15, 2006, at 5:35 AM, RFC Walters wrote: > The category theory community seems happy to accept uncritically, and > give centre-stage to, any interest shown by an external field. In this > context one should certainly look the gift horse in the mouth. i think this is a very nice metaphor. but i am not sure that being critical about science is as easy as looking in horses mouth. already hilbert was largely wrong when he tried to prescribe a shape of a science. and nowadays it is a much harder task. everyone sees just a very small fragment. research advances by evolution, not by intelligent design. the division between pure and applied mathematics is not as simple as it used to be. 20 years ago, if you wanted to work on something that would never ever degrade into applications, then algebraic geometry probably seemed like a good bet. nowadays, at each moment, millions of transactions on the internet are secured using elliptic and hyperelliptic curves; the structure of their picard groups is discussed in standardisation bodies. if a bank protects its customers from phishing by identity-based keys, they are using weil or tate pairing... so the purest math has become the most applied; the most spiritual the most concrete. the other way around, these applications put a babylonian library on everyone's desk. what was picard group again? google for it. biology research is based on large public databases. physics is documented (driven?) by blogs. even category theory is discussed online. so i think it is great that people get nasty, or personal about category theory. the landscape of babylon: "the dog barks while the caravan goes by." just my 2p, -- dusko