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From: Johnathon Taylor <jmt240@case.edu>
To: JS Lemay <js.lemay@mq.edu.au>,
	categories@mq.edu.au,
	Posina Venkata Rayudu <posinavrayudu@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Categories vis-a-vis Naturality
Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2023 17:37:38 -0400	[thread overview]
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This is not the way that one should consider basic introductory category theory. It should be thought about as the fundamental tool. All the things we naturally care to do in basic category theory has natural transformations in the definition itself.

An equivalence of categories, of which isomorphism is an example of, is defined using natural transformations.

Adjunctions, monads, Monoidal categories, Kan extensions, etc... all are defined using natural transformations.

Naturality is one of the tools used but there are other things we care about and need to be considered.

On Sat, Oct 28, 2023, 5:34 PM Johnathon Taylor <jmt240@case.edu<mailto:jmt240@case.edu>> wrote:
Sorry for that. I had it tagged I thought originally and then had to go fix something.

Thanks,
Johnathon

On Sat, Oct 28, 2023, 5:29 PM JS Lemay <js.lemay@mq.edu.au<mailto:js.lemay@mq.edu.au>> wrote:
Hi Johnathon,

Your email was only sent to myself.
If you’d like to send this reply to the new mailing list: please use categories@mq.edu.au<mailto:categories@mq.edu.au>
and include posinavrayudu@gmail.com<mailto:posinavrayudu@gmail.com> as well.

Thanks!
Have a great weekend
JS PL

On Oct 29, 2023, at 8:25 AM, Johnathon Taylor <jmt240@case.edu<mailto:jmt240@case.edu>> wrote:

This is not the way that one should consider basic introductory category theory. It should be thought about as the fundamental tool. All the things we naturally care to do in basic category theory has natural transformations in the definition itself.

An equivalence of categories, of which isomorphism is an example of, is defined using natural transformations.

Adjunctions, monads, Monoidal categories, Kan extensions, etc... all are defined using natural transformations.

Naturality is one of the tools used but there are other things we care about and need to be considered.

On Sat, Oct 28, 2023, 4:47 PM JS Lemay <js.lemay@mq.edu.au<mailto:js.lemay@mq.edu.au>> wrote:
[[The following email is sent on behalf of posinavrayudu@gmail.com<mailto:posinavrayudu@gmail.com>]]

Dear All,

Consider a category of objects (say, cats). Going by a naive
understanding of the notion of category, every object of a category
partakes in an essence/abstract general/theory that is characteristic
of the category (cf. catness; whatever that might be). Doesn't it
immediately follow from this commonplace understanding of category
that morphisms of a category are necessarily natural transformations
preserving the abstract essence characterizing the category (cf.
playful cat ---> pensive cat). Of course, this is an informal
paraphrasing of "Yoneda showed that maps in any category can be
represented as natural transformations" (Lawvere & Schanuel,
Conceptual Mathematics, p. 378). Isn't this reason enough to think of
category theory as the theory of naturality?

Happy Monday :)

Thanking you,
Yours truly,
posina
P.S. Given that all morphisms, beginning with functions between sets
(https://conceptualmathematics.wordpress.com/2022/08/30/functions-are-natural-transformations/<https://protect-au.mimecast.com/s/JjoKCD1vRkCpG3WAIWR2Zg?domain=conceptualmathematics.wordpress.com>),
can be construed as natural transformations, one added value of
baptizing category theory as the theory of naturality is that it
brings into figural salience for all see that the constrasting notion
is unnatural (as in miracles) and not social or culture (since they
too don't change willy-nilly). To be clear, highlighting natural is
not intended to belittle the categorical nature of our everyday
experience (Kandel et al., Principles of Neural Science, pp. 621-637).


On Mon, Oct 23, 2023 at 11:10 AM JS Lemay <js.lemay@mq.edu.au<mailto:js.lemay@mq.edu.au>> wrote:
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> Bob Rosebrugh, the old mailing list's moderator, reached out to me and asked me to set up a new mailing list. So thank you for your patience while we were getting this new mailing list up and running. (Big thanks to Richard, Steve, and Macquarie's IT team for helping me with this!)
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Thread overview: 17+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-10-23  5:39 Welcome to the new Categories mailing list JS Lemay
2023-10-23  8:26 ` JS Lemay
     [not found] ` <CAL+Rf9fA9UXuN3wgyg3DYXOCryh=RY0Weu40rRf6Hkxd8n1BRw@mail.gmail.com>
2023-10-28 20:46   ` Categories vis-a-vis Naturality JS Lemay
     [not found]     ` <CABTYDMHwtDbb6c1zgyAELzSSg=-xf20RTSJ6JLOpRj22vxmqJg@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]       ` <F761733C-9F28-4C2B-B445-024DFE3C2BA8@mq.edu.au>
     [not found]         ` <CABTYDME5rLeodDD_qZ5qpFyUyd9=aoxg2mo+MK+vTEHxmaqc=g@mail.gmail.com>
2023-10-28 21:37           ` Johnathon Taylor [this message]
2023-10-29  6:31     ` Ross Street
2023-10-29 10:12       ` Posina Venkata Rayudu
2023-10-29 18:18         ` Johnathon Taylor
2023-10-29 19:33           ` Posina Venkata Rayudu
2023-10-29 19:50             ` Johnathon Taylor
2023-10-30  0:54               ` Vaughan Pratt
2023-10-29 21:14             ` David Roberts
2023-10-29 22:38               ` dawson
2023-10-30  7:17                 ` Patrik Eklund
2023-10-30 10:40                 ` ptj
2023-10-30  7:08               ` Patrik Eklund
2023-10-29 13:00       ` [EXT] " Bob Coecke
2023-10-29 13:50         ` Posina Venkata Rayudu

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