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From: David Roberts <david.roberts@adelaide.edu.au>
To: Categories <categories@mta.ca>
Subject: Re: Dualities arising via pairs of schizophrenic objects
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 10:07:15 +1030	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAFL+ZM_WgwRFqwfe13zuQ0yT1-HrGcEwkJQkdw4vN=t5u+575A@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1RVO0y-0004UU-RB@mlist.mta.ca>

Vaughan wrote:

> What's odd is that the term seems to be used precisely when it is
> mathematically inappropriate in the above sense (quite apart from
> medical or sensitivity issues).
>
> The real manifestation of the "same" entity is not with objects at all
> but with homsets, namely the homset C(D'(d'), d) in C and the homset
> C'(D(d), d') in C', which *do* have the same number of morphisms.
>
> If anything deserves the epithet in question it is that homset in each
> category.  The two homsets are in bijection, but their targets don't
> correspond, having only in common that they are the dualizers in the
> respective categories.

Yes, I always thought it odd that even when one wants to accept
category-theoretic
foundations (e.g. ETCS or similar), then suddenly something like this
comes along,
where people start saying there is a thing which is an object of two
different categories.
Such a property isn't even expressible in type theory-style
foundations, where even
elements of two different sets aren't comparable...

But since both of the categories in each pair Vaughan mentioned are
enriched over
Set, we *are* allowed to compare hom-sets, at least using some sort of roughly
canonical isomorphism. Using the formalism suggested (hom-sets), it
seems much easier
to set down a definition of these slippery objects.

And (more whimsically) regarding terminology: if someone wanted to use
the analogy
of a door, why not a window? We can have fenestral objects, by which
one can 'see'
from one category to another. And unfortunately, 'liminal' gives rise
to subliminal, which
might be a natural prefix extension mathematically but is even more
confusing than
the existing inaccurate term. :-)

David


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  reply	other threads:[~2011-11-29 23:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-11-24 16:06 Sebastian Kerkhoff
2011-11-24 20:33 ` Tom Leinster
2011-11-25 14:38   ` Robert Dawson
2011-11-26 16:07     ` Eduardo J. Dubuc
2011-11-25  4:10 ` Ross Street
2011-11-26 16:45 ` tholen
2011-11-28 20:12   ` Vaughan Pratt
2011-11-29 23:37     ` David Roberts [this message]
2011-12-07  5:48     ` Dusko Pavlovic
2011-12-07 13:58       ` Michael Barr
2011-12-07 17:58       ` Jocelyn Ireson-Paine
2011-11-26  7:39 Fred E.J. Linton
2011-11-27 15:25 ` Graham White
2011-11-28 17:04   ` Jocelyn Ireson-Paine
2011-11-26 15:06 Fred E.J. Linton
2011-11-27 15:43 ` Todd Trimble
2011-11-28  6:18 Fred E.J. Linton
2011-11-28 14:00 ` Robert Dawson
2011-12-02 15:59 Fred E.J. Linton
2011-12-04 14:25 ` Jean Benabou
2011-12-07 13:39 Valeria de Paiva

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