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From: dusko <dusko@kestrel.edu>
To: Categories <categories@mta.ca>
Subject: Re: cracks and pots
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 00:01:38 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CB9F540D-DE8F-4C42-B0A1-7EA8BF81E155@kestrel.edu> (raw)

i think david yetter's analysis of the dichotomy "categories as  
foundations" vs "categories as algebra" was spot on ---  with respect  
to people and the community. indeed, one could split most of our  
papers into one category or the other.

but at the end of the day, i think, we'll all agree that the source  
of the unreasonable effectiveness of categorical algebra is its  
foundational content (although there is probably a lot of it that we  
dont understand yet); and the other way around. eg, if you look at  
grothendieck's work, he started working in algebra, and ended up  
developing foundational structures, because he needed them. and a lot  
on the "algebra" side now is built upon them. ok, then for a while it  
was thought that he exaggerated with foundations, and that a more  
direct approach "could have been in better taste" (to cite  
eilenberg). but maby the fermat theorem would have a more useful  
proof if it was developed in grothendieck style. and nowadays, there  
is a lot of foundational content in tannaka duality etc, in TQFT in  
general, but we only see hints of it at the moment (and i for one  
just see the reflections of these hints in other people's eyes).

i am of course saying things very clear and familiar to many people  
on this list, but maby they are worth saying nevertheless. it might  
be good if the links between "categories as algebras" and "categories  
as foundations" would not boil down just to the greatest of the  
category theorists, leaving the rest of us in two camps.

-- dusko





             reply	other threads:[~2006-03-28  8:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-03-28  8:01 dusko [this message]
2006-03-29 12:57 ` Alex Simpson
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2006-03-29 19:23 dusko
2006-03-29 14:02 David Yetter
2006-03-26 13:37 V. Schmitt
2006-03-25  3:22 David Yetter
2006-03-24 16:24 Marta Bunge
2006-03-23 19:45 Peter Arndt
2006-03-23 16:50 Eduardo Dubuc
2006-03-26 13:25 ` Urs Schreiber
2006-03-19 18:25 Steve Vickers
2006-03-18 15:19 James Stasheff
2006-03-17 18:29 Robert J. MacG. Dawson
2006-03-17 17:26 Eduardo Dubuc
2006-03-17 16:24 Krzysztof Worytkiewicz
2006-03-17 14:25 jim stasheff
2006-03-17  9:36 George Janelidze
2006-03-17  8:49 Marta Bunge
2006-03-17  8:06 Marta Bunge
2006-03-17  1:52 Vaughan Pratt
2006-03-18 15:21 ` James Stasheff
2006-03-18 20:22 ` Mamuka Jibladze
2006-03-16 20:47 John Baez
2006-03-16 18:41 Robert J. MacG. Dawson
2006-03-16 17:29 Eduardo Dubuc
2006-03-16 14:54 Robert J. MacG. Dawson
2006-03-16 12:05 dusko
2006-03-16  9:51 V. Schmitt
2006-03-15 21:00 Eduardo Dubuc
2006-03-15 13:35 RFC Walters
2006-03-14 19:56 John Baez
2006-03-15 12:23 ` Marta Bunge
2006-03-15 17:26 ` Krzysztof Worytkiewicz
     [not found] <BAY114-F26C035E683A780D5555217DFE10@phx.gbl>
2006-03-14 17:08 ` Robert J. MacG. Dawson
2006-03-14 17:48   ` Marta Bunge
2006-03-27 14:28     ` Peter Selinger
2006-03-12 22:29 Marta Bunge
2006-03-14  6:08 ` David Yetter
2006-03-14 23:18   ` Robert Seely
2006-03-14 14:55 ` Eduardo Dubuc
2006-03-14 16:05 ` Robert J. MacG. Dawson
2006-03-14 16:30   ` Marta Bunge
2006-03-14 23:26     ` Dominic Hughes

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