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From: Vaughan Pratt <pratt@cs.stanford.edu>
To: categories list <categories@mta.ca>
Subject: Re: functions not polynomials
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 20:47:27 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <E1HX6he-0003cv-6X@mailserv.mta.ca> (raw)

Paul Taylor's example of an f(x,y) that is polynomial separately in x
and y but not jointly was sum_n (x,n)(y,n) (where (x,n) denotes the
binomial coefficient x!/(n!(x-n)!)).  After mulling over that example
some more it occurred to me that it can be analyzed via the observation
that W^{-1} maps the polynomial P_n(x) = (x(x-1)(x-2)...(x-(n-1)))^2 to
the polynomial xy(x-1)(y-1)(x-2)(y-2)...(x-(n-1))(y-(n-1)).  This
contradicts my earlier claim that the only polynomials in x that W^{-1}
maps to polynomials in x and y are the linear combinations of 1 and x^2.
  These two are easily seen to be the only *monomials* so mapped, but
(the linearity of W^{-1} notwithstanding) it does not follow that the
only *polynomials* so mapped are the linear combinations of these two
monomials.

W^{-1} maps sum_n P_n(x)/(n!)^2 to Paul's example.  The coefficient
1/(n!)^2 of P_n(x) seems to play no role here, and any coefficients
should do as long as infinitely many are nonzero (to make f(x,y) not a
polynomial).  To extend the example (as a function on N^2) directly (via
the constituent polynomials) to a function on the positive reals
however, the coefficients would need to grow somewhat slower than 4^n,
|P_n(x)| being bounded above by at best about 1/4^n for 0 < x < n (the
half-integer points for x in that range give a good approximation of the
bound).  1/(n!)^2 is more than slow enough for this purpose.

A simpler example is g(x) = (2x,x) (again the binomial coefficient),
which W^{-1} maps to f(x,y) = (x+y,x), polynomial separately in x and y
but not jointly.  That is, Pascal's triangle is a sufficient
counterexample for Paul's purposes.  Moreover the Gamma function gives a
nicer (log-convex in fact) extension of f(x,y) to the upper right
quadrant of R^2.

Vaughan Pratt




             reply	other threads:[~2007-03-29  3:47 UTC|newest]

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2007-03-29  3:47 Vaughan Pratt [this message]
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2007-03-26 19:26 Vaughan Pratt
2007-03-22  5:56 Vaughan Pratt
2007-03-21 16:39 Paul Taylor

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