From: Jeff Egger <jeffegger@yahoo.ca>
To: categories list <categories@mta.ca>
Subject: Ideal Theory 101 [was: is 0 prime?]
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 12:28:39 -0400 (EDT) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <E1IcOVY-0005yw-GC@mailserv.mta.ca> (raw)
--- Vaughan Pratt <pratt@cs.stanford.edu> wrote:
> I don't know much about ring theory, so I
> could be confused about this, but I would have thought intersecting them
> could only get you the square-free ideals.
This is correct; there is simply no way of getting around the fact that
ideals form not just a lattice but carry a quantale structure derived
from the ring. [See my next post and the quotation below.]
--- Bill Lawvere <wlawvere@buffalo.edu> wrote:
> The ideal product under discussion is a key
> ingredient in a construction of unions of subspaces that takes into
> account the clashes.
--- Vaughan Pratt <pratt@cs.stanford.edu> wrote:
> Starting from the prime
> power ideals takes care of that but what's the trick for getting all the
> ideals from just the prime ideals? The category Div was my suggestion
> for that, but if there's a more standard approach in ring theory I'd be
> happy to use that instead (or at least be aware of it---Div is starting
> to grow on me).
I'd point you to Wikipedia, only the relevant articles are somewhat
scattered about. Briefly, every ideal in a Noetherian ring can be
written as a finite intersection of _primary_ ideals, and this can
be made essentially unique by adding appropriate restrictions.
To obtain a more easily recognisable version of the Fundamental
Theorem of Arithmetic, it then remains to determine under what
circumstances a primary ideal must be a prime power. [A good
counter-example is Z[x,y], where the ideal (x,y^2) is primary,
but falls strictly between the prime ideal (x,y) and its square
(x,y)^2=(x^2,xy,y^2).]
A Noetherian integral domain which does have this extra property
is called a Dedekind domain; examples include the ring of algebraic
integers w.r.t. an arbitrary number field---proving the latter result
(which is connected to an infamously incorrect proof of Fermat's
last theorem) is commonly cited as Dedekind's original motivation
for defining ideals.
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primary_decomposition
and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dedekind_domain
for details.
Cheers,
Jeff Egger.
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next reply other threads:[~2007-10-01 16:28 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 5+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2007-10-01 16:28 Jeff Egger [this message]
2007-10-05 0:47 wlawvere
2007-10-05 16:10 Jeff Egger
2007-10-05 17:59 wlawvere
2007-10-07 23:34 Vaughan Pratt
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