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From: Mark.Weber@pps.jussieu.fr
To: "Michael Barr" <barr@math.mcgill.ca>,  categories@mta.ca
Subject: Re: Bourbaki and Categories
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 00:27:41 +0200 (CEST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <E1Kh2EK-0006UJ-Fl@mailserv.mta.ca> (raw)

Dear Michael,

Semantically, as Lawvere observed long ago, a monad gives rise not just to
a category of algebras but also to a forgetful functor into the category
on which the monad acts. For any category C the functor

"semantics" : Mnd(C)^op --> CAT/C

whose object map sends a monad on C to its associated forgetful functor is
full and faithful. Thus a pair of monads on C giving rise to isomorphic
forgetful functors must necessarily be isomorphic. So your observations
about different monads giving rise to the same algebras, while correct, do
not tell the whole story on the semantic side.

The situation is of course different for sketches: they too give rise to
forgetful functors (into Set), but this does not suffice to determine a
given sketch up to isomorphism in the same way, and this justifies Steve
Lack's perspective of "sketches as presentations of theories".

Mark Weber

> Previously, Michael Barr wrote:
>
> Of course sketches are mathematical objects in their own right.  Of
> course, the functor that assigns to each sketch the corresponding theory
> is not full or faithful.  But the definition is precise, the notion of
> model is also precise, so I have no idea what, if any, content there is in
> the claim.  Incidentally, you might with equal justice claim that triples
> are not mathematical objects since two distinct triples can have
> isomorphic categories of Eilenberg-Moore algebras.  In fact there are
> triples (or theories) on Set that have infinitary operations, yet whose
> category of models is isomorphic to Set.
>
> Michael
>



             reply	other threads:[~2008-09-19 22:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-09-19 22:27 Mark.Weber [this message]
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2008-09-23 18:01 jim stasheff
2008-09-22 21:09 Jacques Carette
2008-09-22 20:54 John Baez
2008-09-22  6:54 Meredith Gregory
2008-09-20 20:21 Andre Joyal
2008-09-20 17:17 Zinovy Diskin
2008-09-20  2:16 jim stasheff
2008-09-19 22:21 Zinovy Diskin
2008-09-19 10:00 John Baez
2008-09-18 21:52 Andree Ehresmann
2008-09-18 20:38 cat-dist
2008-09-18 14:36 Michael Barr
2008-09-18 14:31 Michael Barr
2008-09-17 17:13 Andre Joyal
2008-09-17  9:17 R Brown
2008-09-17  4:36 Andre.Rodin
2008-09-17  1:30 Steve Lack
2008-09-16 15:32 Andre.Rodin
2008-09-16 14:47 Michael Barr
2008-09-16 14:20 jim stasheff
2008-09-16 13:09 Andre.Rodin
2008-09-16 11:24 Michael Barr
2008-09-16 10:27 Andre.Rodin
2008-09-16  8:57 Vaughan Pratt
2008-09-16  6:52 Andrej Bauer
2008-09-16  0:03 George Janelidze
2008-09-15 19:26 Dusko Pavlovic
2008-09-15 18:51 David Spivak
2008-09-15 11:59 Michael Barr
2008-09-15  7:58 Andree Ehresmann
2008-09-15  4:55 Andre.Rodin
2008-09-14 19:53 mjhealy
2008-09-14 10:24 R Brown
2008-09-13 17:17 Andre Joyal
2008-09-13 14:31 George Janelidze
2008-09-13  1:25 Colin McLarty
2008-09-12 20:34 Robert Seely
2008-09-12 18:46 Colin McLarty
2008-09-12 15:57 zoran skoda
2008-09-11 21:12 Walter Tholen

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