From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.science.mathematics.categories/4903 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David CHEMOUIL Newsgroups: gmane.science.mathematics.categories Subject: Re: patenting colimits? Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 18:12:00 +0200 Message-ID: Reply-To: David CHEMOUIL NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1243483363 20487 80.91.229.12 (28 May 2009 04:02:43 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 04:02:43 +0000 (UTC) To: David Spivak , categories@mta.ca Original-X-From: categories@mta.ca Thu May 28 06:02:40 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: gsmc-categories@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from mailserv.mta.ca ([138.73.1.1]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1M9WpC-0007KX-Gz for gsmc-categories@m.gmane.org; Thu, 28 May 2009 06:02:38 +0200 Original-Received: from Majordom by mailserv.mta.ca with local (Exim 4.61) (envelope-from ) id 1M9WGI-0000rt-Cj for categories-list@mta.ca; Thu, 28 May 2009 00:26:34 -0300 Original-Sender: categories@mta.ca Precedence: bulk Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.science.mathematics.categories:4903 Archived-At: On Tue, 26 May 2009 19:53:32 -0700, David Spivak wrote: > One reason a mathematician may want to patent a practical use of his idea= is > because if he doesn't do so, someone else can. If some corporation spent > the money to understand a mathematical construction and then patented its > application, not only does that corporation stand to make a lot of money = (on > a construction the corporation was hardly involved with), it can also keep > competitors from using the ideas. Or, the corporation can "bury it," by > patenting the ideas and then not using them, but still using litigation to > prevent others from putting the ideas to good use. First, patent laws are national laws. But it is generally acknowledged, even in the most patent-friendly countries, that a patent should protect somethi= ng *original*. As long as you have published your idea with a clearly identifiable date of publication, for instance in a scientific journal, no one should be able to patent it afterwards (I write "should" because patent offices are often a bit skimpy). Secondly, and once again, many countries do not allow patenting mathematical results. Things are less clear for algorithms. > Once you patent, you control the rights to the intellectual property, and > can make the product more or less widely available. To me, the patenting= of > an application of category theory is not an issue; the problem would be if > someone patented such an application of category theory and then restrict= ed > its use or attempted to make undue amounts of money from it. As a matter of fact, considering the cost of patent registration, the depositer must expect something... Either to earn money, or to have its competitors lose money, or (that may be the case for many public institutio= ns) to give evidence for "valorisation" of results to public authorities.=20 Except for the last case where patents may, perhaps, not be used to prevent scientific work, other applications of patents are likely to be problematic both ethically and economically as far as scientific research is concerned (think about scientists working in institutions unable to afford royalties = or attorney expenses).=20 dc --=20 David CHEMOUIL ONERA/DTIM - 2 avenue =C3=89douard Belin - F-31055 Toulouse Tel: +33 (0) 5 6225 2936 - Fax: +33 (0) 5 6225 2593 http://www.onera.fr/staff/david-chemouil [For admin and other information see: http://www.mta.ca/~cat-dist/ ]