From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.science.mathematics.categories/5019 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Johannes Huebschmann Newsgroups: gmane.science.mathematics.categories Subject: Re: Topology on cohomology groups Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 15:09:26 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: Reply-To: Johannes Huebschmann NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1245789716 16947 80.91.229.12 (23 Jun 2009 20:41:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 20:41:56 +0000 (UTC) To: "Fred E.J. Linton" , categories@mta.ca Original-X-From: categories@mta.ca Tue Jun 23 22:41:49 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: gsmc-categories@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from mailserv.mta.ca ([138.73.1.1]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1MJCoP-00037a-2s for gsmc-categories@m.gmane.org; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 22:41:49 +0200 Original-Received: from Majordom by mailserv.mta.ca with local (Exim 4.61) (envelope-from ) id 1MJC8x-0002vt-5j for categories-list@mta.ca; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 16:58:59 -0300 Original-Sender: categories@mta.ca Precedence: bulk Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.science.mathematics.categories:5019 Archived-At: [From moderator: This issue is fun, but off-topic... so it should be closed. Categories posting will be intermittent until July 7, after CT2009.] Dear All To add to the confusion: There is a difference between skeleton and polygon: skeletos, etc. is a participle polygon is a noun polygonon in ancient Greek polygono in modern Greek plural form polygona in ancient Greek >>From my recollections: as a participle (I would have to check this): skeletos, skeletae, skeleton etc., the neutrum participle "skeleton" also has plural forms: skeleta (nominativ) skeleton (genitiv) (long o, i.e. omega) skeletois (dativ) skeleta (accusativ) I cannot check details right now since I cannot chek my ancient Greek sources right now to confirm. Best regards Johannes HUEBSCHMANN Johannes Professeur de Math=C3=A9matiques USTL, UFR de Math=C3=A9matiques UMR 8524 Laboratoire Paul Painlev=C3=A9 59 655 VILLENEUVE d'ASCQ C=C3=A9dex/France http://math.univ-lille1.fr/~huebschm TEL. (33) 3 20 43 41 97 (33) 3 20 43 42 33 (s=C3=A9cr=C3=A9tariat) (33) 3 20 43 48 50 (s=C3=A9cr=C3=A9tariat) Fax (33) 3 20 43 43 02 Johannes.Huebschmann@math.univ-lille1.fr On Tue, 23 Jun 2009, Fred E.J. Linton wrote: > On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 09:17:05 AM EDT, "Prof. Peter Johnstone" > > in response to: Andrew Stacey wrote, in pa= rt: > >> On Fri, 19 Jun 2009, Andrew Stacey wrote: >> >>> ... over the finite skeleta. >> >> Not really a contribution to the mathematical question, but I'm struck= by >> the fact that both Andrew Salch and Andrew Stacey, in their replies to >> Steve Vickers, use the plural "skeleta". I used to do that when I was = a >> student, as a way of winding-up my teachers, but it isn't justifiable. >> >> The English word "skeleton" is indeed derived from a Greek root (the >> past participle of the verb "skellein", to wither or dry up), but it >> doesn't exist as a noun in Greek. There is therefore no justification >> for giving it an imagined Greek plural. Having in my time devoted some >> effort to fighting the bogus (but in fact more justifiable) Greek >> plural "topoi", I feel bound to protest against this one too. ... > > The generic-seeming example "phenomenon/phenomena" certainly *suggests* > a parallel "skeleton/skeleta" -- but it would also suggest "polygon/pol= yga", > which I think we all would agree is nonsense. Peter is merely (justifia= bly) > pointing out that "skeleton/skeleta" is as much nonsense as "polygon/po= lyga", > and I'm with him 100% on that score. > > [As for the plural of "topos", I guess I'm in the mugwump camp that wou= ld > *write* it as "topoi" (pace Peter), but *pronounce* it as "toposes" :-)= . > English was never very strong at phonetic consistency of pronunciation; > witness GBShaw's "phonetic" spelling of FISH: "ghotip".] > > Cheers, -- Fred > > PS: "ghotip"? "gh" as in COUGH, "o" as in WOMEN, > "ti" as in NATION, and "p" (silent) as in PNEUMONIA. > > > > > [For admin and other information see: http://www.mta.ca/~cat-dist/ ] > ---1463771056-1253283172-1245762566=:5534-- [For admin and other information see: http://www.mta.ca/~cat-dist/ ]