From: Andre Joyal <joyal.andre@uqam.ca>
To: <categories@mta.ca>
Subject: pragmatic foundation
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 16:14:18 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <E1N6ZoS-0007Qt-OV@mailserv.mta.ca> (raw)
Dear category theorists,
I invite everyone to read the interesting interview of Yuri Manin
published in the November issue of the Notices of the AMS:
http://www.ams.org/notices/200910
http://www.ams.org/notices/200910/rtx091001268p.pdf
One the ideas discussed by Manin is that of a "pragmatic foundation" of
mathematics as opposed to a "normative foundation" by logicists or constructivists.
He attributes the former to Bourbaki.
I disagree.
The foundational framework of Bourbaki is very much in the tradition
of Zermelo-Fraenkel, Godel-Bernays and Russell.
I am aware that Bourbaki was more interested in the development of
mathematics than in its foundation.
My guess is that the foundation was too problematic to be given a proeminent place
in the treaty, not for logical reasons but for conceptual reasons.
I claim that nobody truly understand set theory, even today!
The emperor has no clothes!
I mean that the hierarchy of infinite cardinals is so profoundly mysterious
that it looks pathological.
What is the value of a theory if it leads to meaningless problems and structures?
Having no good answer to offer, Bourbaki decided to diminish the importance of
foundation rather than leaving it open.
It may explain why category theory was not incorporated in the foundation later.
In the interview, Manin also said that:
>And so I dont foresee anything extraordinary
>in the next twenty years. Probably, a rebuilding of
>what I call the pragmatic foundations of math-
>ematics will continue. By this I mean simply a
>codification of efficient new intuitive tools, such
>as Feynman path integrals, higher categories, the
>brave new algebra of homotopy theorists, as
>well as emerging new value systems and accepted
>forms of presenting results that exist in the minds
>and research papers of working mathematicians
>here and now, at each particular time.
Any comments?
AJ
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Thread overview: 12+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-11-06 21:14 Andre Joyal [this message]
2009-11-07 5:36 Vaughan Pratt
2009-11-10 18:20 Eduardo J. Dubuc
2009-11-12 9:07 ` Andre.Rodin
2009-11-11 7:13 Vaughan Pratt
2009-11-11 16:38 Colin McLarty
2009-11-12 8:25 ` Vaughan Pratt
2009-11-14 22:52 ` Eduardo J. Dubuc
2009-11-15 19:57 ` Zinovy Diskin
2009-11-15 20:44 ` Vaughan Pratt
2009-11-16 2:07 ` Eduardo J. Dubuc
2009-11-12 11:42 Andre.Rodin
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