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From: Marco Grandis <grandis@dima.unige.it>
To: George Janelidze <janelg@telkomsa.net>, categories@mta.ca
Subject: Re: Question on exact sequence (by G.J.)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 09:12:47 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <E1N8cyu-0000CN-VF@mailserv.mta.ca> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <027601ca62f9$ace359c0$0b00000a@C3>

Dear George,

I receive now your question.

> The Barr's case (=Exercise VIII.4.6 in Mac Lane's book) and the
> Snake Lemma
> seem to have very different canonical connecting morphisms; how
> does your
> (beautiful!) general theorem solve this problem?

All these connecting morphisms are canonically induced on
subquotients, there is
no need of using relations (even though you can, in both cases: a
subquotient
is the same as a subobject in the cat. of relations, and induced
morphisms can
always be computed that way: this is already in Mac Lane's Homology.)

In the Snake Lemma, with Barr's notation:

- Ker h  is a subquotient of  B  (being a subobject of  C),
- Cok f  is a subquotient of  B'  (being a quotient of  A'),
- the connecting morphism is induced by  g: B --> B'.

In the other lemma (Mac Lane, Barr),  Ker h  and  Cok h  are both
subquotients
of the middle object, and the (obvious) connecting morphism is
(trivially) induced
by the identity of the latter.

Subquotients are characterised by a pullback-pushout square
with two monos and two epis (in abelian categories;
more generally in the Puppe-exact ones; more generally in
'my' homological categories, where you do not have relations).
'Regular' induction just means that there is a commutative cube
from the first square to the second.

Best wishes    Marco


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      parent reply	other threads:[~2009-11-12  8:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 3+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-11-11 11:05 Question on exact sequence Steve Lack
2009-11-11 16:36 ` George Janelidze
     [not found]   ` <E258C2F0-8620-4CD8-8011-B544D44C95BD@dima.unige.it>
     [not found]     ` <027601ca62f9$ace359c0$0b00000a@C3>
2009-11-12  8:12       ` Marco Grandis [this message]

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