From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.science.mathematics.categories/5403 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: zoran skoda Newsgroups: gmane.science.mathematics.categories Subject: Re: A well kept secret? Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 17:59:44 +0100 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: zoran skoda NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1261526737 26401 80.91.229.12 (23 Dec 2009 00:05:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 00:05:37 +0000 (UTC) To: Zinovy Diskin Original-X-From: categories@mta.ca Wed Dec 23 01:05:30 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: gsmc-categories@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from mailserv.mta.ca ([138.73.1.1]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1NNEjK-0001WD-1Y for gsmc-categories@m.gmane.org; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 01:05:30 +0100 Original-Received: from Majordom by mailserv.mta.ca with local (Exim 4.61) (envelope-from ) id 1NNEGC-0006P9-Gs for categories-list@mta.ca; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 19:35:24 -0400 In-Reply-To: Original-Sender: categories@mta.ca Precedence: bulk Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.science.mathematics.categories:5403 Archived-At: Dear Zinovy, I can say that I dislike your selling/marketing despair and do not share excitement in the existence of an easy niche market you propose. Having such a customer > would dramatically change the market situation for categories > similarly to the case of mechanical engineering-calculus. > Unlike your search for an easy "customer", I am CONVINCED that really interaction with central parts of mathematics which you find CONCURRENT in some odious market sense, is the main and natural one I could intellectually, artisticially and purposefully like to find in interaction with category theory. It can not satisfy me knowing that some PARTs of category theory can be easily sold to your proposed customer, if I know that some natural parts are INTRINSICALLY interwoven with many other subjects and this is ignored. I do not think that the category theorists should approach other mathematicians/computerists/others just to find SOME company to share what they know, but rather because they find a natural need to do so. I do not talk to person A because I have nobody else to talk to, but because I am interested in what specifically person A can offer in the communication. This said I can not replace person A with different person B who has other values to enhance me. This is not to diminish software engineering as a valuable field of interaction, but having software engineers accept category theory, does not solve the problem that some who should accept category theory do not. Many category theorists themselvses are of the same ignorant kind by not accepting higher category theory and homotopy theory which are naturally form a whole with classical category theory. Zoran [For admin and other information see: http://www.mta.ca/~cat-dist/ ]