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From: John Baez <john.c.baez@gmail.com>
To: categories <categories@mta.ca>
Subject: re: the definition of "evil"
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 09:53:39 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <E1NRcsx-0002QJ-JW@mailserv.mta.ca> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1NRRk6-0000Cr-SG@mailserv.mta.ca>

Dear Categorists -

I'm glad Peter is trying to formulate a definition of structures that can be
transported along equivalences, and I like the spirit of his definition,
namely in terms of a "lifting property" where one has a 2-functor

U: XCat -> Cat

and one is trying to lift equivalences from Cat to XCat.

But it makes me nervous when he says "isomorphic [not equivalent!]".  Just
as evil in category theory typically arises from definitions that impose
equations between objects instead of specifying isomorphisms, evil in
2-category theory typically arises when we specify isomorphisms between
objects instead of specifying equivalences.

It would be sad, or at least intriguing, if the definition of "evil" was
itself evil.

Best,
jb

  DEFINITION. Let X be some structure on categories. By this, I mean
>  that there is a given 2-category called X-Cat, whose objects are
>  called X-categories, whose morphisms are called X-functors, and whose
>  2-cells are called X-transformations, and for which there is a given
>  2-functor U to Cat, called the forgetful functor.
>
>  We say that X is "transported along equivalences of categories" if the
>  following holds. Given an X-category D', with underlying category D =
>  U(D'), and a category C, and an equivalence (F,G,e,h) of categories D
>  and C, where F: D -> C, G: C -> D, and e: FG -> id_C, h: GF -> id_D,
>  it is then possible to find:
>
>  (1) an X-category C' whose underlying category U(C') is isomorphic
>     [not equivalent!] to C. Let c : U(C') -> C be the isomorphism
>     (i.e., an invertible functor in Cat) with inverse c': C -> U(C');
>
>  (2) an X-equivalence of X-categories (F',G',e',h'), where
>     F': D' -> C', G': C' -> D', e': F'G' -> id_C', and h': G'F' -> id_D'
>     [the concept of equivalence makes sense in any 2-category];
>
>  such that
>
>  (3) (U(F'), U(G'), U(e'), U(h')) = (cF, Gc', cec', h).
>
>  Here, cF and Gc' denotes composition of functors, and cec' denotes
>  whiskering.
>
>  The structure X is called "evil" iff it is not transported along
>  equivalences of categories.
>
>  This finishes the definition.
>
>


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  parent reply	other threads:[~2010-01-03 17:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-01-03  7:23 Peter Selinger
2010-01-03 17:10 ` Claudio Hermida
2010-01-03 17:53 ` John Baez [this message]
2010-01-04 17:14   ` Michael Shulman
2010-01-04  9:24 ` Urs Schreiber
2010-01-05 20:04 ` dagger not evil Joyal, André
2010-01-06  8:40   ` Toby Bartels
2010-01-07  5:50     ` Peter Selinger
2010-01-08  0:45     ` Joyal, André
     [not found]   ` <B3C24EA955FF0C4EA14658997CD3E25E370F5672@CAHIER.gst.uqam.ca>
     [not found]     ` <B3C24EA955FF0C4EA14658997CD3E25E370F5673@CAHIER.gst.uqam.ca>
2010-01-09  3:29       ` equality is beautiful Joyal, André
2010-01-10 17:17         ` Steve Vickers
     [not found]           ` <B3C24EA955FF0C4EA14658997CD3E25E370F5677@CAHIER.gst.uqam.ca>
2010-01-12 10:25             ` A challenge to all Steve Vickers
2010-01-12 16:24             ` Joyal, André
2010-01-13  0:03               ` David Roberts
2010-01-13  0:47               ` burroni
     [not found]                 ` <B3C24EA955FF0C4EA14658997CD3E25E370F5688@CAHIER.gst.uqam.ca>
     [not found]                   ` <B3C24EA955FF0C4EA14658997CD3E25E370F568B@CAHIER.gst.uqam.ca>
     [not found]                     ` <B3C24EA955FF0C4EA14658997CD3E25E370F568D@CAHIER.gst.uqam.ca>
     [not found]                       ` <B3C24EA955FF0C4EA14658997CD3E25E370F568F@CAHIER.gst.uqam.ca>
2010-01-15 19:33                         ` Joyal, André
2010-01-20  5:52                           ` Michael Shulman
2010-01-13  1:02               ` Jeff Egger
2010-01-13  2:28               ` Michael Shulman
2010-01-13 20:53                 ` equality Dusko Pavlovic
2010-01-14 14:23                   ` equality Colin McLarty
2010-01-13 23:43               ` A challenge to all Peter LeFanu Lumsdaine
2010-01-15 19:40               ` Thomas Streicher
2010-01-10 19:54         ` equality is beautiful Vaughan Pratt
2010-01-11  2:26         ` Richard Garner
2010-01-13 11:53         ` lamarche
2010-01-13 21:29           ` Michael Shulman
     [not found] ` <B3C24EA955FF0C4EA14658997CD3E25E370F565E@CAHIER.gst.uqam.ca>
2010-01-06 15:44   ` dagger not evil (2) Joyal, André
2010-01-05  3:16 the definition of "evil" Fred E.J. Linton

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