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From: Andre Joyal <joyal.andre@uqam.ca>
To: "John Baez" <john.c.baez@gmail.com>, "categories" <categories@mta.ca>
Subject: Re: bilax_monoidal_functors?=
Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 12:26:02 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <E1OBEI2-0000mS-7K@mailserv.mta.ca> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1OAsS6-0001ay-ER@mailserv.mta.ca>

Dear John and Michael,

It all depends on where you start counting.
For americans, the first floor of a buiding is the ground floor
but for most europeans, it is the floor right above: 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Storey#Numbering

We sometime need to recall in which part of the world we are 
when we take an elevator!
But a ten stories building is the same for everyone.  

More seriously, John wrote:

>I use "k-tuply monoidal" to mean what you'd call "(k-1)-braided".  This
>seems preferable to me, not because it sounds nicer - it doesn't - but
>because it starts counting at a somewhat more natural place.  I believe that
>counting monoidal structures is more natural than counting braidings.

Michael wrote:

>I am using a mixture of your terminologies:
>  monoidal = 1-braided
>  braided = 2-braided
>  sylleptic = 3-braided

I understand your ideas both. Along the same line we could also use:

E1-category = Monoidal  
E2-category = Braided monoidal 
E3-category = .....
.....

John wrote:

>By the way: I don't remember anyone on this mailing list ever asking if
>their own terminology is good.  I only remember them complaining about other
>people's terminology.  I applaud your departure from this unpleasant
>tradition!

My goal is to have a public discussion on terminology.
It can be very difficult to agree upon because
adopting one is like commiting to a rule of law,
to a moral code, possibly to a social code.
There is an emotional and social aspect to this commitment.
There is also a psychological aspect because a terminology
looks natural if you use it long enough (it is a matter of a few days).
I hope that a public discussion can help peoples 
choosing their terminology.

I do think that my terminology for higher braided
monoidal categories is quite good.
Let me say a few things in its defense:

First, it extends naturally a terminology which is used 
by the mathematical community since many decades.
Only a specialist can truly appreciate E(k)-categories or 
k-tuply monoidal categories. Second, a braiding is a commutation 
structure. To call a monoidal category 1-braided is kind of 
confusing because there is no commutation structure 
on a general monoidal category. A monoidal category is 0-braided. 
Third, a n-braided (topological or simplicial) group is exactly what 
you need to describe the homotopy type of an n-connected space (n\geq 1). 


I wonder who introduced the notion of E(n)-space and
the terminology?


Best regards, 
André



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  parent reply	other threads:[~2010-05-09 16:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-05-08  3:27 RE : bilax monoidal functors John Baez
2010-05-09 10:38 ` autonomous terminology: WAS: " Dusko Pavlovic
2010-05-09 22:41   ` Colin McLarty
2010-05-10 12:09   ` posina
2010-05-10 17:40   ` Jeff Egger
2010-05-09 16:26 ` Andre Joyal [this message]
2010-05-10 14:58   ` bilax_monoidal_functors?= Eduardo J. Dubuc
2010-05-10 19:28   ` bilax_monoidal_functors Jeff Egger
2010-05-13 17:17     ` bilax_monoidal_functors Michael Shulman
2010-05-14 14:43       ` terminology (was: bilax_monoidal_functors) Peter Selinger
2010-05-15 19:52         ` terminology Toby Bartels
2010-05-15  1:05       ` bilax_monoidal_functors Andre Joyal
     [not found]       ` <20100514144324.D83A35C275@chase.mathstat.dal.ca>
2010-05-15  4:41         ` terminology (was: bilax_monoidal_functors) Michael Shulman
2010-05-10 10:28 ` bilax monoidal functors Urs Schreiber
2010-05-11  3:17   ` bilax_monoidal_functors Andre Joyal
     [not found] ` <4BE81F26.4020903@dm.uba.ar>
2010-05-10 18:16   ` bilax_monoidal_functors?= John Baez
2010-05-11  1:04     ` bilax_monoidal_functors?= Michael Shulman
2010-05-12 20:02       ` calculus, homotopy theory and more Andre Joyal
     [not found]       ` <B3C24EA955FF0C4EA14658997CD3E25E370F57F6@CAHIER.gst.uqam.ca>
     [not found]         ` <B3C24EA955FF0C4EA14658997CD3E25E370F57F8@CAHIER.gst.uqam.ca>
2010-05-13  6:56           ` calculus, homotopy theory and more (corrected) Michael Batanin
     [not found]             ` <B3C24EA955FF0C4EA14658997CD3E25E370F57FE@CAHIER.gst.uqam.ca>
2010-05-13 22:59               ` Michael Batanin
     [not found]               ` <4BEC846B.5050000@ics.mq.edu.au>
2010-05-14  2:53                 ` Andre Joyal
2010-05-11  8:28     ` bilax_monoidal_functors?= Michael Batanin
2010-05-12  3:02       ` bilax_monoidal_functors?= Toby Bartels
2010-05-13 23:09         ` bilax_monoidal_functors?= Michael Batanin
2010-05-15 16:05           ` terminology Joyal, André
     [not found]         ` <4BEC8698.3090408@ics.mq.edu.au>
2010-05-14 18:41           ` bilax_monoidal_functors? Toby Bartels
2010-05-15 16:54       ` bilax_monoidal_functors Jeff Egger
2010-05-14 14:34 ` bilax_monoidal_functors Michael Shulman
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2010-05-08  1:05 bilax monoidal functors David Yetter
2010-05-10 16:14 ` bilax_monoidal_functors?= Andre Joyal
2010-05-16 23:57   ` bilax_monoidal_functors?= Richard Garner

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