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From: "Prof. Peter Johnstone" <P.T.Johnstone@dpmms.cam.ac.uk>
To: Marco Grandis <grandis@dima.unige.it>
Subject: Re: we do meet isomorphisms of categories
Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 10:29:09 +0100 (BST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <E1OIOXG-0005T4-CA@mailserv.mta.ca> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1OGxwb-0003EF-S9@mailserv.mta.ca>

Yes, we do meet isomorphisms of categories; my favourite algebraic
example is the isomorphism between (Boolean algebras) and (Boolean
rings), and another good one is the isomorphism between (finite
T_0-spaces) and (finite partial orders). But there's a sense in which
these isomorphisms are "accidental", arising from the fact that both
categories are based on the same category of sets, and in practice
(so far as I know) one never makes use of the fact that they are
isomorphisms rather than mere equivalences.

An even better example occurs in realizability. Some years ago on this
list I queried the need for the condition "Sxy is defined for all x
and y" in the definition of a partial combinatory algebra, and John
Longley came up with a beautiful proof that, given a "weak pca" A
which fails to satisfy this condition, there is a pca A' which does
satisfy it, such that the category of A-valued assemblies is *identical*
(not just equivalent, or even isomorphic) to the category of A'-valued
assemblies. (Details can be found in Jaap van Oosten's book.) The
accident arises in this case from the fact that A' happens to have the
same underlying set as A. But, once again, I don't know of any use for
the fact that the correspondence between the categories of assemblies is
anything more than an equivalence.

Peter Johnstone
---------------------------
On Mon, 24 May 2010, Marco Grandis wrote:

> We do meet isomorphisms of categories. Only, they are so obvious that
> sometimes we do not see them.
>
> For instance:
>
> The category of abelian groups is (canonically) isomorphic to the
> category
> of Z-modules.
>
> Groups are often defined as semigroups satisfying two conditions; but
> they
> can also be defined as sets with a zeroary operation, a unary
> operation and
> a binary operation satisfying certain axioms. Again, we have two
> isomorphic
> categories. An unbiased definition would give a third isomorphic
> category
> (and one can form infinitely many intermediate cases between the second
> and the third, likely of little interest). Algebras for the free
> group monad are
> directly linked with the unbiased version, yet not the same.
>
> Lattices (with 0 and 1) can be defined as ordered sets satisfying
> some conditions;
> or as sets with two binary operations satisfying other conditions;
> then one can
> add two zeroary operations;...
>
> Best regards
>
> Marco Grandis

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2010-05-27  9:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-05-19 10:38 Re terminology: Ronnie Brown
2010-05-20  7:58 ` soloviev
2010-05-20 19:53   ` terminology Eduardo J. Dubuc
2010-05-20 22:15   ` Re terminology: Joyal, Andre
2010-05-20 11:58 ` Urs Schreiber
     [not found] ` <AANLkTikre9x4Qikw0mqOl1qZs9DDSkcBu3CXWA05OTQT@mail.gmail.com>
2010-05-21 17:00   ` Ronnie Brown
2010-05-22 19:40     ` Joyal, André
     [not found]     ` <B3C24EA955FF0C4EA14658997CD3E25E370F5827@CAHIER.gst.uqam.ca>
2010-05-22 21:43       ` terminology Ronnie Brown
     [not found]       ` <4BF84FF3.7060806@btinternet.com>
2010-05-22 22:44         ` terminology Joyal, André
2010-05-23 15:39           ` terminology Colin McLarty
2010-05-24 13:42             ` equivalence terminology Paul Taylor
2010-05-24 15:53             ` we do meet isomorphisms of categories Marco Grandis
2010-05-26 15:21               ` Toby Bartels
2010-05-27  9:29               ` Prof. Peter Johnstone [this message]
     [not found]               ` <alpine.LRH.2.00.1005271007240.11352@siskin.dpmms.cam.ac.uk>
2010-05-27 10:08                 ` Marco Grandis
2010-05-30 12:05                   ` Joyal, André
2010-05-24 18:04             ` terminology Vaughan Pratt
2010-05-26  3:08               ` terminology Toby Bartels
2010-05-24 23:06             ` Equality again Joyal, André
2010-05-26  2:27               ` Patrik Eklund
2010-05-27 11:30               ` Prof. Peter Johnstone
2010-06-01  6:36                 ` Marco Grandis
2010-06-01 14:38                   ` Joyal, André
2010-05-25 14:08             ` terminology John Baez
2010-05-25 19:39               ` terminology Colin McLarty
2010-05-29 21:47                 ` terminology Toby Bartels
2010-05-30 19:15                   ` terminology Thorsten Altenkirch
     [not found]                   ` <A46C7965-B4E7-42E6-AE97-6C1D930AC878@cs.nott.ac.uk>
2010-05-30 20:51                     ` terminology Toby Bartels
2010-06-01  7:39                       ` terminology Thorsten Altenkirch
2010-06-01 13:33                         ` terminology Peter LeFanu Lumsdaine
     [not found]                       ` <7BF50141-7775-4D3C-A4AF-D543891666B9@cs.nott.ac.uk>
2010-06-01 18:22                         ` terminology Toby Bartels
2010-05-26  8:03             ` terminology Reinhard Boerger
     [not found] ` <4BF6BC2C.2000606@btinternet.com>
2010-05-21 18:48   ` Re terminology: Urs Schreiber
     [not found] ` <AANLkTilG69hcX7ZV8zrLpQ_nf1pCmyktsnuE0RyJtQYF@mail.gmail.com>
2010-05-26  8:28   ` terminology John Baez

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