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From: Michael Barr <barr@math.mcgill.ca>
To: Sergey Goncharov <sergey@informatik.uni-bremen.de>
Cc: categories@mta.ca
Subject: Re:  Tensor of monads
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 06:29:42 -0400 (EDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <E1OedO1-00037l-E2@mlist.mta.ca> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1OeHE4-0004hy-TA@mlist.mta.ca>

There are examples in Ernie Manes's 1967 thesis.  Perhaps the simplest
(although it piggybacks on the non-existence of free complete boolean
algebras that had been know for only a few years at the time) is that the
tensor product of the complete sup semilattice triple with itself doesn't
exist.  The triple takes a set X to 2^X and can be interpreted also as the
complete inf semilattice triple.  On the other hand, I think Manes showed
that the tensor product of the beta triple with itself exists, but is one
of the two inconsistent triples, the one that fixes the empty set and
takes all non-empty sets to one point.  (The other inconsistent triple
takes all sets to one point.)

On Wed, 28 Jul 2010, Sergey Goncharov wrote:

> Dear categorists,
>
> in "Combining algebraic eects with continuations", by Hyland et al. the
> authors say carefully: "In general, the tensor product of two arbitrary
> monads seems not to exist.." without providing a counterexample though,
> presumably because they did not have any. Was there any progress reported on
> this issue since then? Or maybe someone can even make up a counterexample
> right on the nail?
>
> Thanks,
>
>


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  parent reply	other threads:[~2010-07-29 10:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-07-28 14:02 Sergey Goncharov
2010-07-29  8:21 ` N.Bowler
2010-07-29  9:18 ` Prof. Peter Johnstone
2010-07-29 10:29 ` Michael Barr [this message]
2010-07-31  8:45   ` Richard Garner
     [not found]   ` <AANLkTinxyVQ1fXu7DLWu4CUF3AP2KPX6PLQFDB+zG4Ef@mail.gmail.com>
2010-07-31 12:48     ` Michael Barr
     [not found] ` <alpine.LRH.2.00.1007291006210.5174@siskin.dpmms.cam.ac.uk>
2010-07-29 13:24   ` Prof. Peter Johnstone
     [not found]   ` <alpine.LRH.2.00.1007291422370.5174@siskin.dpmms.cam.ac.uk>
2010-07-30  1:02     ` Sergey Goncharov
2010-07-31 20:34       ` Eckmann-Hilton (Was: Tensor of monads) Toby Bartels
     [not found]     ` <4C5224A4.4000105@informatik.uni-bremen.de>
2010-07-30 10:37       ` Tensor of monads Prof. Peter Johnstone
2010-07-30 22:41         ` Tom Leinster
2010-08-01 19:49           ` Ronnie Brown
2010-08-02  9:47           ` Ronnie Brown
2010-08-01  0:31         ` Richard Garner
2010-08-02 19:55           ` Paul Levy
2010-08-03  6:39             ` Richard Garner
     [not found]             ` <AANLkTimd202AX=3hUqU9ABkKUy9Z4Loh1RXTiDgVZ3Ku@mail.gmail.com>
2010-08-03 11:03               ` Paul Levy
2010-08-09 20:26                 ` Paul Levy
2010-08-05 20:06           ` Sergey Goncharov
2010-08-08 19:24             ` Gordon Plotkin
2010-07-30  3:44 ` Joyal, André
     [not found] ` <AANLkTin5+paq8sP-eVjdf8rZOyA-z=t6QzAhCqVUsyQi@mail.gmail.com>
2010-08-01  9:13   ` Richard Garner
2010-08-02 14:17     ` Prof. Peter Johnstone
     [not found] ` <alpine.LRH.2.00.1008021514290.18118@siskin.dpmms.cam.ac.uk>
2010-08-02 21:12   ` Richard Garner

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