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From: Richard Garner <r.h.g.garner@gmail.com>
To: Michael Barr <barr@math.mcgill.ca>
Cc: Sergey Goncharov <sergey@informatik.uni-bremen.de>, categories@mta.ca
Subject: Re: Tensor of monads
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2010 18:45:14 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <E1OfK2B-0001y6-0Z@mlist.mta.ca> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1OedO1-00037l-E2@mlist.mta.ca>

Isn't P * P isomorphic to P, by the Eckmann-Hilton argument?

On 29 July 2010 20:29, Michael Barr <barr@math.mcgill.ca> wrote:

> There are examples in Ernie Manes's 1967 thesis.  Perhaps the simplest
> (although it piggybacks on the non-existence of free complete boolean
> algebras that had been know for only a few years at the time) is that the
> tensor product of the complete sup semilattice triple with itself doesn't
> exist.  The triple takes a set X to 2^X and can be interpreted also as the
> complete inf semilattice triple.  On the other hand, I think Manes showed
> that the tensor product of the beta triple with itself exists, but is one
> of the two inconsistent triples, the one that fixes the empty set and
> takes all non-empty sets to one point.  (The other inconsistent triple
> takes all sets to one point.)
>
>
> On Wed, 28 Jul 2010, Sergey Goncharov wrote:
>
>  Dear categorists,
>>
>> in "Combining algebraic eects with continuations", by Hyland et al. the
>>
>> authors say carefully: "In general, the tensor product of two arbitrary
>> monads seems not to exist.." without providing a counterexample though,
>> presumably because they did not have any. Was there any progress reported
>> on
>> this issue since then? Or maybe someone can even make up a counterexample
>> right on the nail?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>

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  reply	other threads:[~2010-07-31  8:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-07-28 14:02 Sergey Goncharov
2010-07-29  8:21 ` N.Bowler
2010-07-29  9:18 ` Prof. Peter Johnstone
2010-07-29 10:29 ` Michael Barr
2010-07-31  8:45   ` Richard Garner [this message]
     [not found]   ` <AANLkTinxyVQ1fXu7DLWu4CUF3AP2KPX6PLQFDB+zG4Ef@mail.gmail.com>
2010-07-31 12:48     ` Michael Barr
     [not found] ` <alpine.LRH.2.00.1007291006210.5174@siskin.dpmms.cam.ac.uk>
2010-07-29 13:24   ` Prof. Peter Johnstone
     [not found]   ` <alpine.LRH.2.00.1007291422370.5174@siskin.dpmms.cam.ac.uk>
2010-07-30  1:02     ` Sergey Goncharov
2010-07-31 20:34       ` Eckmann-Hilton (Was: Tensor of monads) Toby Bartels
     [not found]     ` <4C5224A4.4000105@informatik.uni-bremen.de>
2010-07-30 10:37       ` Tensor of monads Prof. Peter Johnstone
2010-07-30 22:41         ` Tom Leinster
2010-08-01 19:49           ` Ronnie Brown
2010-08-02  9:47           ` Ronnie Brown
2010-08-01  0:31         ` Richard Garner
2010-08-02 19:55           ` Paul Levy
2010-08-03  6:39             ` Richard Garner
     [not found]             ` <AANLkTimd202AX=3hUqU9ABkKUy9Z4Loh1RXTiDgVZ3Ku@mail.gmail.com>
2010-08-03 11:03               ` Paul Levy
2010-08-09 20:26                 ` Paul Levy
2010-08-05 20:06           ` Sergey Goncharov
2010-08-08 19:24             ` Gordon Plotkin
2010-07-30  3:44 ` Joyal, André
     [not found] ` <AANLkTin5+paq8sP-eVjdf8rZOyA-z=t6QzAhCqVUsyQi@mail.gmail.com>
2010-08-01  9:13   ` Richard Garner
2010-08-02 14:17     ` Prof. Peter Johnstone
     [not found] ` <alpine.LRH.2.00.1008021514290.18118@siskin.dpmms.cam.ac.uk>
2010-08-02 21:12   ` Richard Garner

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