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From: Ronnie Brown <ronnie.profbrown@btinternet.com>
To: Tom Leinster <tl@maths.gla.ac.uk>
Cc: categories@mta.ca
Subject: Re: Tensor of monads
Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2010 10:47:12 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <E1OfuBw-0006p0-SA@mlist.mta.ca> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1OfK0j-0001ua-W0@mlist.mta.ca>

There is another possibly relevant area. It used to be standard (e.g. 
Huppert, Endliche Gruppen) that the only tensor product of groups was 
the usual tensor product of their abelianisations. This is because if 
b:G \times G \to H is a bimorphism then by expanding
b(gg',hh') in two ways, and applying cancellation, you get a 
commutativity condition. However with Jean-Louis Loday we realised, as 
others had before us,  that another interesting condition is for b to be 
a biderivation, since this is one of the rules satisfied by the 
commutator map [ , ] : G \times G \to G. The universal object for 
biderivations is then the nonabelian tensor square G \otimes G. This 
idea applies to other areas such as Lie algebras. A bibliography of 100 
items is on
www.bangor.ac.uk/r.brown/nonabtens.html
Any possibility for monads?? This may be wild, but on the other hand........

On another tack, my memory is, and this puzzled me at first,  that the 
paper
Loday, Jean-Louis 
<http://0-ams.mpim-bonn.mpg.de.unicat.bangor.ac.uk/mathscinet/search/publications.html?pg1=IID&s1=115225>
$K$-théorie algébrique et représentations de groupes. *(French)*
/Ann. Sci. École Norm. Sup. (4)/ 
<http://0-ams.mpim-bonn.mpg.de.unicat.bangor.ac.uk/mathscinet/search/journaldoc.html?cn=Ann_Sci_Ecole_Norm_Sup_4> 
* 9 * (1976), no. 3, 309--377.

uses a multiplication induced essentially by a structure of a monoid 
with a compatible structure of semigroup; so the Eckmann-Hilton argument 
does not apply!

Ronnie Brown


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  parent reply	other threads:[~2010-08-02  9:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-07-28 14:02 Sergey Goncharov
2010-07-29  8:21 ` N.Bowler
2010-07-29  9:18 ` Prof. Peter Johnstone
2010-07-29 10:29 ` Michael Barr
2010-07-31  8:45   ` Richard Garner
     [not found]   ` <AANLkTinxyVQ1fXu7DLWu4CUF3AP2KPX6PLQFDB+zG4Ef@mail.gmail.com>
2010-07-31 12:48     ` Michael Barr
     [not found] ` <alpine.LRH.2.00.1007291006210.5174@siskin.dpmms.cam.ac.uk>
2010-07-29 13:24   ` Prof. Peter Johnstone
     [not found]   ` <alpine.LRH.2.00.1007291422370.5174@siskin.dpmms.cam.ac.uk>
2010-07-30  1:02     ` Sergey Goncharov
2010-07-31 20:34       ` Eckmann-Hilton (Was: Tensor of monads) Toby Bartels
     [not found]     ` <4C5224A4.4000105@informatik.uni-bremen.de>
2010-07-30 10:37       ` Tensor of monads Prof. Peter Johnstone
2010-07-30 22:41         ` Tom Leinster
2010-08-01 19:49           ` Ronnie Brown
2010-08-02  9:47           ` Ronnie Brown [this message]
2010-08-01  0:31         ` Richard Garner
2010-08-02 19:55           ` Paul Levy
2010-08-03  6:39             ` Richard Garner
     [not found]             ` <AANLkTimd202AX=3hUqU9ABkKUy9Z4Loh1RXTiDgVZ3Ku@mail.gmail.com>
2010-08-03 11:03               ` Paul Levy
2010-08-09 20:26                 ` Paul Levy
2010-08-05 20:06           ` Sergey Goncharov
2010-08-08 19:24             ` Gordon Plotkin
2010-07-30  3:44 ` Joyal, André
     [not found] ` <AANLkTin5+paq8sP-eVjdf8rZOyA-z=t6QzAhCqVUsyQi@mail.gmail.com>
2010-08-01  9:13   ` Richard Garner
2010-08-02 14:17     ` Prof. Peter Johnstone
     [not found] ` <alpine.LRH.2.00.1008021514290.18118@siskin.dpmms.cam.ac.uk>
2010-08-02 21:12   ` Richard Garner

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