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From: Paul Levy <pbl@cs.bham.ac.uk>
To: Richard Garner <r.h.g.garner@gmail.com>
Cc: Categories mailing list <categories@mta.ca>
Subject: Re: Tensor of monads
Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 20:55:01 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <E1Og3Zs-0002cB-Mo@mlist.mta.ca> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1Ofu7F-0006gv-8o@mlist.mta.ca>


On 1 Aug 2010, at 01:31, Richard Garner wrote:

> I must admit to feeling slightly confused by both Peter's and André's
> examples. In both cases, the monads considered arise on a category  
> other
> than the category of sets; and it is not clear to me what is meant by
> forming the tensor product of two such monads.

Here is a suggestion; I don't know how it relates to yours.

Let S and T be monads on a category C.

An "S,T-algebra" is a C-object X together with an S-algebra structure  
theta and T-algebra structure phi.  An S,T-algebra morphism is a C- 
morphism that is homomorphic in both components.  Let D be the  
category of S,T-algebras and homomorphisms, and U : D --> C the  
forgetful functor.  Then U creates U-split coequalizers.  If it has a  
left adjoint, we call the monad the "sum" of S and T.

I think the sum of S and T, if it exists, has to be a coproduct in the  
category of monads, but haven't checked the details.

Next suppose that C is cartesian, and S and T are strong.  Now D will  
be a locally C-indexed (by this I mean [C^op,Set]-enriched) category.   
A morphism from (X,theta,phi) to (X',theta',phi') over Z is a C- 
morphism from Z x X to X' that's homomorphic in its second argument,  
with respect to both structures.  If U has a (locally C-indexed) left  
adjoint, we get the  "sum" of strong monads.  Again, I think it's a  
coproduct in the category of strong monads.

Next suppose C is cartesian closed and S and T are strong.

For an S,T-algebra (X,theta,phi), the following are equivalent:

(1) for all C-objects Y and Z, the two C-morphisms from SY x TZ x  
X^(YxZ) to X are equal

(2) for every C-object Y, the two C-morphisms from SY x T(X^Y) to X  
are equal

(2') for every C-object Z, the two C-morphisms from TZ x S(X^Z) to X  
are equal.

When these hold, we say that (X,theta,phi) "commutes". (I'd like to  
express this without quantification over objects, but I can't see how.)

We thus obtain a full (locally C-indexed) subcategory D' of D  
consisting of the commuting S,T-algebras and homomorphisms, and U' :  
D' --> C the restriction of U.  Then U' creates U'-split  
coequalizers.  If it has a left adjoint, we call the induced monad the  
"tensor" of S and T.

Now a cocone of strong monads

      S -----> M <----- T

is said to "commute" when for all C-objects X and Y the two C- 
morphisms from SX x TY to M(X x Y) are equal.

I think a tensor of S and T will always give an initial commuting  
cocone, but haven't checked the details.

Paul


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  reply	other threads:[~2010-08-02 19:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-07-28 14:02 Sergey Goncharov
2010-07-29  8:21 ` N.Bowler
2010-07-29  9:18 ` Prof. Peter Johnstone
2010-07-29 10:29 ` Michael Barr
2010-07-31  8:45   ` Richard Garner
     [not found]   ` <AANLkTinxyVQ1fXu7DLWu4CUF3AP2KPX6PLQFDB+zG4Ef@mail.gmail.com>
2010-07-31 12:48     ` Michael Barr
     [not found] ` <alpine.LRH.2.00.1007291006210.5174@siskin.dpmms.cam.ac.uk>
2010-07-29 13:24   ` Prof. Peter Johnstone
     [not found]   ` <alpine.LRH.2.00.1007291422370.5174@siskin.dpmms.cam.ac.uk>
2010-07-30  1:02     ` Sergey Goncharov
2010-07-31 20:34       ` Eckmann-Hilton (Was: Tensor of monads) Toby Bartels
     [not found]     ` <4C5224A4.4000105@informatik.uni-bremen.de>
2010-07-30 10:37       ` Tensor of monads Prof. Peter Johnstone
2010-07-30 22:41         ` Tom Leinster
2010-08-01 19:49           ` Ronnie Brown
2010-08-02  9:47           ` Ronnie Brown
2010-08-01  0:31         ` Richard Garner
2010-08-02 19:55           ` Paul Levy [this message]
2010-08-03  6:39             ` Richard Garner
     [not found]             ` <AANLkTimd202AX=3hUqU9ABkKUy9Z4Loh1RXTiDgVZ3Ku@mail.gmail.com>
2010-08-03 11:03               ` Paul Levy
2010-08-09 20:26                 ` Paul Levy
2010-08-05 20:06           ` Sergey Goncharov
2010-08-08 19:24             ` Gordon Plotkin
2010-07-30  3:44 ` Joyal, André
     [not found] ` <AANLkTin5+paq8sP-eVjdf8rZOyA-z=t6QzAhCqVUsyQi@mail.gmail.com>
2010-08-01  9:13   ` Richard Garner
2010-08-02 14:17     ` Prof. Peter Johnstone
     [not found] ` <alpine.LRH.2.00.1008021514290.18118@siskin.dpmms.cam.ac.uk>
2010-08-02 21:12   ` Richard Garner

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