From: Paul Levy <pbl@cs.bham.ac.uk>
To: Richard Garner <r.h.g.garner@gmail.com>
Cc: Categories mailing list <categories@mta.ca>
Subject: Re: Tensor of monads
Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 20:55:01 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <E1Og3Zs-0002cB-Mo@mlist.mta.ca> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1Ofu7F-0006gv-8o@mlist.mta.ca>
On 1 Aug 2010, at 01:31, Richard Garner wrote:
> I must admit to feeling slightly confused by both Peter's and André's
> examples. In both cases, the monads considered arise on a category
> other
> than the category of sets; and it is not clear to me what is meant by
> forming the tensor product of two such monads.
Here is a suggestion; I don't know how it relates to yours.
Let S and T be monads on a category C.
An "S,T-algebra" is a C-object X together with an S-algebra structure
theta and T-algebra structure phi. An S,T-algebra morphism is a C-
morphism that is homomorphic in both components. Let D be the
category of S,T-algebras and homomorphisms, and U : D --> C the
forgetful functor. Then U creates U-split coequalizers. If it has a
left adjoint, we call the monad the "sum" of S and T.
I think the sum of S and T, if it exists, has to be a coproduct in the
category of monads, but haven't checked the details.
Next suppose that C is cartesian, and S and T are strong. Now D will
be a locally C-indexed (by this I mean [C^op,Set]-enriched) category.
A morphism from (X,theta,phi) to (X',theta',phi') over Z is a C-
morphism from Z x X to X' that's homomorphic in its second argument,
with respect to both structures. If U has a (locally C-indexed) left
adjoint, we get the "sum" of strong monads. Again, I think it's a
coproduct in the category of strong monads.
Next suppose C is cartesian closed and S and T are strong.
For an S,T-algebra (X,theta,phi), the following are equivalent:
(1) for all C-objects Y and Z, the two C-morphisms from SY x TZ x
X^(YxZ) to X are equal
(2) for every C-object Y, the two C-morphisms from SY x T(X^Y) to X
are equal
(2') for every C-object Z, the two C-morphisms from TZ x S(X^Z) to X
are equal.
When these hold, we say that (X,theta,phi) "commutes". (I'd like to
express this without quantification over objects, but I can't see how.)
We thus obtain a full (locally C-indexed) subcategory D' of D
consisting of the commuting S,T-algebras and homomorphisms, and U' :
D' --> C the restriction of U. Then U' creates U'-split
coequalizers. If it has a left adjoint, we call the induced monad the
"tensor" of S and T.
Now a cocone of strong monads
S -----> M <----- T
is said to "commute" when for all C-objects X and Y the two C-
morphisms from SX x TY to M(X x Y) are equal.
I think a tensor of S and T will always give an initial commuting
cocone, but haven't checked the details.
Paul
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Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2010-07-28 14:02 Sergey Goncharov
2010-07-29 8:21 ` N.Bowler
2010-07-29 9:18 ` Prof. Peter Johnstone
2010-07-29 10:29 ` Michael Barr
2010-07-31 8:45 ` Richard Garner
[not found] ` <AANLkTinxyVQ1fXu7DLWu4CUF3AP2KPX6PLQFDB+zG4Ef@mail.gmail.com>
2010-07-31 12:48 ` Michael Barr
[not found] ` <alpine.LRH.2.00.1007291006210.5174@siskin.dpmms.cam.ac.uk>
2010-07-29 13:24 ` Prof. Peter Johnstone
[not found] ` <alpine.LRH.2.00.1007291422370.5174@siskin.dpmms.cam.ac.uk>
2010-07-30 1:02 ` Sergey Goncharov
2010-07-31 20:34 ` Eckmann-Hilton (Was: Tensor of monads) Toby Bartels
[not found] ` <4C5224A4.4000105@informatik.uni-bremen.de>
2010-07-30 10:37 ` Tensor of monads Prof. Peter Johnstone
2010-07-30 22:41 ` Tom Leinster
2010-08-01 19:49 ` Ronnie Brown
2010-08-02 9:47 ` Ronnie Brown
2010-08-01 0:31 ` Richard Garner
2010-08-02 19:55 ` Paul Levy [this message]
2010-08-03 6:39 ` Richard Garner
[not found] ` <AANLkTimd202AX=3hUqU9ABkKUy9Z4Loh1RXTiDgVZ3Ku@mail.gmail.com>
2010-08-03 11:03 ` Paul Levy
2010-08-09 20:26 ` Paul Levy
2010-08-05 20:06 ` Sergey Goncharov
2010-08-08 19:24 ` Gordon Plotkin
2010-07-30 3:44 ` Joyal, André
[not found] ` <AANLkTin5+paq8sP-eVjdf8rZOyA-z=t6QzAhCqVUsyQi@mail.gmail.com>
2010-08-01 9:13 ` Richard Garner
2010-08-02 14:17 ` Prof. Peter Johnstone
[not found] ` <alpine.LRH.2.00.1008021514290.18118@siskin.dpmms.cam.ac.uk>
2010-08-02 21:12 ` Richard Garner
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