From: Sergey Goncharov <sergey@informatik.uni-bremen.de>
To: categories@mta.ca
Subject: Re: Tensor of monads
Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2010 22:06:21 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <E1OhWte-0004Gy-6Y@mlist.mta.ca> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1Ofu7F-0006gv-8o@mlist.mta.ca>
Thank you Peter and André
and all the participants of the discussion. It is indeed very helpful.
Richard Garner wrote:
> On the other hand, André's example raises a question which I find quite
> interesting. André describes two reflective subcategories of the ordered
> class of ordinal numbers, and then says that, their intersection being
> empty, the tensor of the corresponding idempotent monads cannot exist. I
> would be inclined to say that this shows that the coproduct of these monads
> does not exist
I guess it applies both to the tensor and to the sum as well as to any
other case where we need to form a span of monad morphism: S -> R <- T
and which precisely can not be formed in this case.
It looks like there are two counterexamples, both of which are based on
the construction of tricky underlying categories. But what about
existence of the tensor over Sets? I guess this is still open. I tried
to think about the tensor product of a continuation monad with itself as
a possible counterexample, without any success though. Usually,
continuation monad performs well when it comes to constructing
counterexamples but it is difficult to see what the tensor product of it
with itself is supposed to look like.
Thanks again,
Sergey.
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2010-08-05 20:06 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2010-07-28 14:02 Sergey Goncharov
2010-07-29 8:21 ` N.Bowler
2010-07-29 9:18 ` Prof. Peter Johnstone
2010-07-29 10:29 ` Michael Barr
2010-07-31 8:45 ` Richard Garner
[not found] ` <AANLkTinxyVQ1fXu7DLWu4CUF3AP2KPX6PLQFDB+zG4Ef@mail.gmail.com>
2010-07-31 12:48 ` Michael Barr
[not found] ` <alpine.LRH.2.00.1007291006210.5174@siskin.dpmms.cam.ac.uk>
2010-07-29 13:24 ` Prof. Peter Johnstone
[not found] ` <alpine.LRH.2.00.1007291422370.5174@siskin.dpmms.cam.ac.uk>
2010-07-30 1:02 ` Sergey Goncharov
2010-07-31 20:34 ` Eckmann-Hilton (Was: Tensor of monads) Toby Bartels
[not found] ` <4C5224A4.4000105@informatik.uni-bremen.de>
2010-07-30 10:37 ` Tensor of monads Prof. Peter Johnstone
2010-07-30 22:41 ` Tom Leinster
2010-08-01 19:49 ` Ronnie Brown
2010-08-02 9:47 ` Ronnie Brown
2010-08-01 0:31 ` Richard Garner
2010-08-02 19:55 ` Paul Levy
2010-08-03 6:39 ` Richard Garner
[not found] ` <AANLkTimd202AX=3hUqU9ABkKUy9Z4Loh1RXTiDgVZ3Ku@mail.gmail.com>
2010-08-03 11:03 ` Paul Levy
2010-08-09 20:26 ` Paul Levy
2010-08-05 20:06 ` Sergey Goncharov [this message]
2010-08-08 19:24 ` Gordon Plotkin
2010-07-30 3:44 ` Joyal, André
[not found] ` <AANLkTin5+paq8sP-eVjdf8rZOyA-z=t6QzAhCqVUsyQi@mail.gmail.com>
2010-08-01 9:13 ` Richard Garner
2010-08-02 14:17 ` Prof. Peter Johnstone
[not found] ` <alpine.LRH.2.00.1008021514290.18118@siskin.dpmms.cam.ac.uk>
2010-08-02 21:12 ` Richard Garner
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