From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.science.mathematics.categories/6073 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Michael Barr Newsgroups: gmane.science.mathematics.categories Subject: Re: Question on choosing subobjects consistently Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 09:32:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: References: <201008281224.o7SCO9rh022252@minus.seas.upenn.edu> Reply-To: Michael Barr NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1283129629 31227 80.91.229.12 (30 Aug 2010 00:53:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 00:53:49 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Peter Freyd , "categories@mta.ca" To: John Kennison Original-X-From: majordomo@mlist.mta.ca Mon Aug 30 02:53:48 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: gsmc-categories@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from smtpx.mta.ca ([138.73.1.138]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Opsd9-0005Yb-Po for gsmc-categories@m.gmane.org; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 02:53:47 +0200 Original-Received: from mlist.mta.ca ([138.73.1.63]:47580) by smtpx.mta.ca with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1OpscF-0003s8-9F; Sun, 29 Aug 2010 21:52:51 -0300 Original-Received: from majordomo by mlist.mta.ca with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1OpscC-00017j-CZ for categories-list@mlist.mta.ca; Sun, 29 Aug 2010 21:52:48 -0300 In-Reply-To: Precedence: bulk Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.science.mathematics.categories:6073 Archived-At: Here is what Grothendieck actually said (in our translation): "Thus a subobject of $A$ is not simply an object of \C, but an object $B$, together with a monomorphism $u:B\to A$ called the \emph{canonical injection} of $B$ into $A$. (Nonetheless, by abuse of language, we will often designate a subobject of $A$ by the name $B$ of the corresponding object of \C.) The containment relation defines an \emph{order} relation (not merely a preorder relation) on the class of subobjects of $A$. It follows from the above that the subobjects of $A$ that are contained in a subobject $B$ are identified with the subobjects of $B$, this correspondence respecting the natural order." It all depends on what he meant by "are identified with". Maybe I am making too much of this. He regularly uses "=" for isomorphism (which I have mostly changed in the translation). Michael [For admin and other information see: http://www.mta.ca/~cat-dist/ ]