From: Toby Bartels <toby@ugcs.caltech.edu>
To: categories <categories@mta.ca>
Cc: David Leduc <david.leduc6@googlemail.com>,
droberts@maths.adelaide.edu.au
Subject: Re: Evil in bicategories
Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 10:13:13 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <E1Ousbk-00026e-O0@mlist.mta.ca> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=ZLdVcbvaHPaCfaZhzyDYCdwLNUQTj-5fNZ4p4@mail.gmail.com>
>Ah, it's only for bicategories. I was expecting a definition in
>dependent type theory of omega-categories. That would have helped me
>understanding it.
Well, omega-categories are harder, but the Trimble--May approach
(chapter 8 in the guidebook) makes sense in dependent type theory,
because it also begins (paraphrasing page 138 in Cheng--Lauda):
* a collection of objects;
* for each pair x,y of objects, an (n-1)-category Hom(x,y);
* for each tuple x_1,...,x_k of objects, ... etc.
Although Cheng--Lauda says that the objects form a set
(so that, by default, it makes sense to compare them for equality),
we never actually compare them for equality in the definition.
So it is explicitly non-evil.
(This is not to say that other definitions of higher category are evil;
if they are equivalent to Trimble's definition, then they are not.
But they are not usually *explicitly* non-evil;
if they make reference to equality of objects anywhere,
then they must be written in a language in which evil can be expressed.)
In an almost completely different direction,
Makkai's "multitopic" approach to omega-categories
is also explicitly non-evil (and explicitly dependently typed too).
Makkai's approach is non-algebraic (in the Cheng--Lauda sense),
since it is based on composition predicates, not operations.
In fact, Makkai's language does not allow one to speak of operations!
(If X and Y are sets, that is types with equality predicates,
then a function from X to Y can be defined as a relation on X and Y
satisfying an axiom that makes reference to equality on Y.
But if X and Y are types WITHOUT equality predicates,
then an operation from X to Y can't be defined as a predicate on X and Y.
Trimble's definition of n-category uses types and operations,
while Makkai's definition of omega-category uses types and predicates.)
--Toby
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Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2010-09-11 2:05 David Leduc
2010-09-11 23:23 ` Toby Bartels
2010-09-12 1:28 ` David Roberts
2010-09-12 6:03 ` Jocelyn Paine
[not found] ` <20100911232358.GA32145@ugcs.caltech.edu>
2010-09-12 6:27 ` David Leduc
[not found] ` <AANLkTimbfG0tkjSNZgjL2yADBHnKAXQiHYsAkioEnxJY@mail.gmail.com>
2010-09-12 7:31 ` Toby Bartels
[not found] ` <20100912073136.GA9115@ugcs.caltech.edu>
2010-09-12 10:22 ` David Leduc
[not found] ` <AANLkTi=ZLdVcbvaHPaCfaZhzyDYCdwLNUQTj-5fNZ4p4@mail.gmail.com>
2010-09-12 17:13 ` Toby Bartels [this message]
2010-09-12 12:38 ` JeanBenabou
2010-09-13 0:16 ` David Roberts
2010-09-13 22:28 ` Toby Bartels
2010-09-14 22:32 ` Richard Garner
2010-09-14 15:09 ` Miles Gould
2010-09-12 16:52 ` Peter LeFanu Lumsdaine
2010-09-14 6:28 Michael Shulman
2010-09-15 1:12 Vaughan Pratt
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