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From: Timothy Porter <t.porter@bangor.ac.uk>
To: "Fred E.J. Linton" <fejlinton@usa.net>
Cc: categories <categories@mta.ca>
Subject: Re: Illusion and Forthrightness in Wikipedia
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 20:02:41 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <E1OvUQP-0003AY-61@mlist.mta.ca> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <730oimakP9232S03.1284336675@web03.cms.usa.net>

   The parametrisation given corresponds to the symmetric placing of the
trefoil on a torus, the fact that you get the `lumps' is an artifact of
that.  The knot parametrisation can neatly `turned around' changing the
role of p and q. That is also a trefoil!

Have fun,
Take care.  Don't tie yourself in knots :-)

Tim

On 13/09/2010 01:11, Fred E.J. Linton wrote:
> These somewhat off-topic remarks are at least almost as connected
> with category theory as the study of knots is, as they have their
> origin in my reliance on, and subsequent disillusionment with, the
> Wikipedia site for basic information about a certain knot.
>
> The knot? -- the familiar trefoil knot, aka (2,3)-torus knot.
> The offending Wikipedia page? -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torus_knot .
> The problem?
>
> A reader might be forgiven for expecting that when a page of mathematical
> text offers a parametrization, in the form
>
> x = (2 + cos((q phi)/p))(cos(phi)) ,
> y = (2 + cos((q phi)/p))(sin(phi)) ,
> z = sin((q phi)/p) ,
>
> of each (p,q)-torus knot, and then offers an illustration dubbed
> (2,3)-torus knot, that said illustration might have been produced
> by means of the p=2, q=3 instance of the parametrization given.
>

...


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  parent reply	other threads:[~2010-09-13 19:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 12+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-09-13  0:11 Fred E.J. Linton
2010-09-13  6:23 ` Vaughan Pratt
2010-09-13  8:42 ` Vaughan Pratt
2010-09-13 18:32 ` Mike Stay
2010-09-13 19:02 ` Timothy Porter [this message]
2010-09-14 16:54   ` Vaughan Pratt
2010-09-13 22:02 ` Toby Bartels
2010-09-14  7:46 John Baez
2010-09-18  6:58 Fred E.J. Linton
2010-09-19 22:07 ` Vaughan Pratt
     [not found] <474oiRg647312S02.1284793135@web02.cms.usa.net>
2010-09-18  7:26 ` John Baez
2010-09-19 23:38 Fred E.J. Linton

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